"I unfortunately get a sense from having taken the disagreement this far that the real crux is liable to be the sense to which - I've lived in a universe which wasn't tropey in the slightest, where everything just bubbled up from directly visible math in a directly visible way, and by comparison Golarion looks really blatantly tropey to me, even if it's ultimately a real thing that got selected really sharply for tropiness, which means I'm also expecting to a much higher degree that the universe has been set on track for a Bad End unless the protagonists do something. Your worldview has a much higher prior that we might not need to do something that looks like the climax of a story, for things to end up pretty much all right, a hundred years later, because we're not that special and our efforts don't need to be that desperate. My prior is more that I've been put into a situation where, if I try to - the trope would be 'Refuse the Call' - the multiverse is otherwise set to have the ancient gods crush out Civilization, our enemies get their own diamond synthesis not that far behind us, Asmodeus is not dumber than Iomedae and has His own symmetrical plans about how to eliminate Heaven as opposition."
"If we want to pursue that question on the object level instead of direct meta level, we could talk plans to take over just Avernus."