"We could attempt to approximate what our alter-cheliax ought to look like by looking at which things we do that other countries don't, but - it wouldn't work that well, right, because Old Cheliax was a society with a vision in the same way that we are a society with a vision, they were all trying to bring about a golden age of lawful neutral human perfection, or whatever. Osirion might be doing some of that, with less intensity because they're not doing the golden age thing. Lastwall might be doing some of that, again with less intensity, organized around Iomedae. Hermea might be, organized around I don't even know what. But everyone else - they're mostly not actually trying that hard to adhere to some lofty ideal, they're doing what works, which is coercion, they're just lazier about doing what works than we are."

"I guess we did move the timeline up, in terms of when Cheliax became Asmodean. So - maybe we're working on it and we're just not sure which pieces of our old coercive system we can do without. And we don't want to end up like Andoran. Or like Galt."

"We could attempt to approximate what our alter-Cheliax ought to look like by looking at which things we do that other countries don't, but - it wouldn't work that well, right, because Old Cheliax was a society with a vision in the same way that we are a society with a vision, they were all trying to bring about a golden age of lawful neutral human perfection, or whatever. Osirion might be doing some of that, with less intensity because they're not doing the golden age thing. Lastwall might be doing some of that, again with less intensity, organized around Iomedae. Hermea might be, organized around I don't even know what. But everyone else - they're mostly not actually trying that hard to adhere to some lofty ideal, they're doing what works, which is coercion, they're just lazier about doing what works than we are."

"I guess we did move the timeline up, in terms of when Cheliax became Asmodean. So - maybe we're working on it and we're just not sure which pieces of our old coercive system we can do without. And we don't want to end up like Andoran. Or like Galt."

"We could attempt to approximate what our alter-Cheliax ought to look like by looking at which things we do that other countries don't, but - it wouldn't work that well, right, because Old Cheliax was a society with a vision in the same way that we are a society with a vision, they were all trying to bring about a golden age of lawful neutral human perfection, or whatever. Osirion might be doing some of that, with less intensity because they're not doing the golden age thing. Lastwall might be doing some of that, again with less intensity, organized around Iomedae. Hermea might be, organized around I don't even know what. But everyone else - they're mostly not actually trying that hard to adhere to some lofty ideal, they're doing what works, which is mostly coercion, they're just lazier about doing what works than we are."

"I guess we did move the timeline up, in terms of when Cheliax became Asmodean. So - maybe we're working on it and we're just not sure which pieces of our old coercive system we can do without. And we don't want to end up like Andoran. Or like Galt."

"We could attempt to approximate what our alter-Cheliax ought to look like by looking at which things we do that other countries don't, but - it wouldn't work that well, right, because Old Cheliax was a society with a vision in the same way that we are a society with a vision, they were all trying to bring about a golden age of lawful neutral human perfection, or whatever. Osirion might be doing some of that, with less intensity because they're not doing the golden age thing. Lastwall might be doing some of that, again with less intensity, organized around Iomedae. Hermea might be, organized around I don't even know what. But everyone else - they're mostly not actually trying that hard to adhere to some lofty ideal, they're doing what works, which is mostly coercion, they're just lazier about doing what works than we are."

"I guess we did move the timeline up, in terms of when Cheliax became Asmodean. So - maybe we're working on it and we're just not sure which pieces of our old coercive system we can do without. And we don't want to end up like Galt."