"It is not obvious to me that this constitutes an example of Lawful thinking and something itself that the truth could not again destroy.  If Golarion people need to move in - steps, from greater insanity to lesser insanity - and not straight from insanity to truth - then that sounds like something I might need to know about."

"Hope, where it constitutes the belief that something nice might happen, is a question of fact, Pilar.  If the probability is less than one percent, desire to assign probability less than one percent, if greater than one percent, desire to assign greater belief than one percent.  The questions of fact always come first."

"And if you want something, that's just your utilityfunction, and the utilityfunction is not up for grabs.  Maybe you can't get the thing you want, that doesn't change what your utilityfunction is."

"If you want to stop thinking about something, develop the skills to stop thinking about things, don't distort your probability estimates over it.  How would that even work, you'd just notice what you were doing and be like 'oh I'm rationalizing bad word Taldane I'm lying to myself again'.  Or if your verbal part managed to fool itself about the probability without you noticing, deeper parts of you would not be in agreement, and they'd try to steer your brain into thinking about the hope again."

"Truth first.  Accurate probabilities first.  Then rebuild your mind around whatever those are.  If you notice a lie, rebuild around the best estimates you can, don't rebuild around another lie.  That's the obvious Lawful way to proceed, and if Golarion people need to recover from internal catastrophes some other way, that's kind of bad.  Because I have no idea how that could possibly work or why or how the ass I could help."

"It is not obvious to me that this constitutes an example of Lawful thinking and something itself that the truth could not again destroy.  If Golarion people need to move in - steps, from greater insanity to lesser insanity - and not straight from insanity to truth - then that sounds like something I might need to know about."

"Hope, where it constitutes the belief that something nice might happen, is a question of fact, Pilar.  If the entangled-probability is less than one percent, desire to assign probability less than one percent, if greater than one percent, desire to assign greater belief than one percent.  The questions of fact always come first."

"And if you want something, that's just your utilityfunction, and the utilityfunction is not up for grabs.  Maybe you can't get the thing you want, that doesn't change what your utilityfunction is."

"If you want to stop thinking about something, develop the skills to stop thinking about things, don't distort your probability estimates over it.  How would that even work, you'd just notice what you were doing and be like 'oh I'm rationalizing bad word Taldane I'm lying to myself again'.  Or if your verbal part managed to fool itself about the probability without you noticing, deeper parts of you would not be in agreement, and they'd try to steer your brain into thinking about the hope again."

"Truth first.  Accurate probabilities first.  Then rebuild your mind around whatever those are.  If you notice a lie, rebuild around the best estimates you can, don't rebuild around another lie.  That's the obvious Lawful way to proceed, and if Golarion people need to recover from internal catastrophes some other way, that's kind of bad.  Because I have no idea how that could possibly work or why or how the ass I could help."

"It is not obvious to me that this constitutes an example of Lawful thinking and something itself that the truth could not again destroy.  If Golarion people need to move in - steps, from greater insanity to lesser insanity - and not straight from insanity to truth - then that sounds like something I might need to know about."

"Hope, where it constitutes the belief that something nice might happen, is a question of fact, Pilar.  If the entanglement is less than one percent, desire to assign probability less than one percent, if greater than one percent, desire to assign greater belief than one percent.  The questions of fact always come first."

"And if you want something, that's just your utilityfunction, and the utilityfunction is not up for grabs.  Maybe you can't get the thing you want, that doesn't change what your utilityfunction is."

"If you want to stop thinking about something, develop the skills to stop thinking about things, don't distort your probability estimates over it.  How would that even work, you'd just notice what you were doing and be like 'oh I'm rationalizing bad word Taldane I'm lying to myself again'.  Or if your verbal part managed to fool itself about the probability without you noticing, deeper parts of you would not be in agreement, and they'd try to steer your brain into thinking about the hope again."

"Truth first.  Accurate probabilities first.  Then rebuild your mind around whatever those are.  If you notice a lie, rebuild around the best estimates you can, don't rebuild around another lie.  That's the obvious Lawful way to proceed, and if Golarion people need to recover from internal catastrophes some other way, that's kind of bad.  Because I have no idea how that could possibly work or why or how the ass I could help."