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"Do we have a transcript of the conversation where he said that, I think I want to read it. Because I notice that one of the reasons that I'm not persuaded that it's rare is that I also don't want to have sex with anyone, ever, and I notice that I have now been assigned to the Wall section. Not that I find that convincing, but it's information you might want to have. So. That's out there, now."

"Anyway. If I'm going to make a really solid argument about this, I'm probably going to need a written list of every prediction Keltham has made relating to the patterns and likely plot twists of the romance novel that he finds himself in, and which ones have come true and which ones haven't. But my snap judgement is - landing on Sevar, that's obviously not chance, but neither is it prophecy; it sounds like personality filtering of the same kind that gods probably do to identify clerics. If Asmodeus grabbed Keltham, it stands to reason that he would drop Keltham on the Asmodean person most compatible with him in the ways necessary for Asmodeus's goals. I'm pretty sure you said the first prediction Keltham made was the question about his harem having interesting backgrounds or problems to solve, but being an oracle isn't that; as far as I've been told, there's no reason to believe that either of the oracles was particularly special until after coming into contact with Keltham. They're not even clerics, which would constrain their alignments a really improbable amount - I tried to look something up about it after I heard about them, and I don't know yet that there are any known constraints on who can become or be made an oracle. So I'm not inclined to give him many points for that, either. "Special" is a corner fortune-teller's prediction, it's too vague to give very many points for. Still not very sure that being asexual is rare enough that 'one of the eight girls was an asexual' is particularly surprising either, or a higher rate than we would normally expect, and I'm not giving him points for it until someone convinces me that it is. The Chosen of Asmodeus being unable to sell her soul..."

"I have no explanation for that one, it's legitimately bizarre that he would be able to predict that. But it's one prediction, not many."

"So I don't think that unbroken prophecy is necessary to explain most of the predictions I've heard, and if it's only one, I'm inclined to think that there's a less-bizarre explanation that I haven't thought of yet, especially if he's been making a lot of them. But if he is right, and there are - let's say trillions - of Golarions, then - "

"I don't entirely know how that interfaces with my theory. It's a little hard to wrap my head around, someone writing a romance novel not by writing it, but by - what, paging through every possible string of words that could make up a book, and selecting the one that read most like a romance novel? I - guess I'm inclined to say that if more fundamental features of reality do start looking like they would make more sense if they were a romance novel than in any more normal situation - not Keltham's personal interactions, which we and lots of other powers are manipulating constantly, but like, I don't know, the cultural practices of nations, the distributions of traits on our world other than masochism, something that doesn't have as many obvious alternative explanations as masochism - if the world in general starts to look like that, then that should move us towards the romance novel theory and also away from my theory, because if we're being selected that way then I don't think there's any reason why we would also expect Keltham's people to have originally been from Golarion."

"Probably. I guess. Unless dath ilani are all subconsciously into the things that caused their ancestors to have lots of the sex that resulted in their slightly less distant ancestors, and write romance novels that reflect their ancestral environment, even though they have no records of it. Which would loop us back around to - my head hurts."

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"Do we have a transcript of the conversation where he said that, I think I want to read it. Because I notice that one of the reasons that I'm not persuaded that it's rare is that I also don't want to have sex with anyone, ever, and I notice that I have now been assigned to the Wall section. Not that I find that convincing, but it's information you might want to have. So. That's out there, now."

"Anyway. If I'm going to make a really solid argument about this, I'm probably going to need a written list of every prediction Keltham has made relating to the patterns and likely plot twists of the romance novel that he finds himself in, and which ones have come true and which ones haven't. But my snap judgement is - landing on Sevar, that's obviously not chance, but neither is it prophecy; it sounds like personality filtering of the same kind that gods probably do to identify clerics. If Asmodeus grabbed Keltham, it stands to reason that he would drop Keltham on the Asmodean person most compatible with him in the ways necessary for Asmodeus's goals. I'm pretty sure you said the first prediction Keltham made was the question about his harem having interesting backgrounds or problems to solve, but being an oracle isn't that; as far as I've been told, there's no reason to believe that either of the oracles was particularly special until after coming into contact with Keltham. They're not even clerics, which would constrain their alignments a really improbable amount - I tried to look something up about it after I heard about them, and I don't know yet that there are any known constraints on who can become or be made an oracle. So I'm not inclined to give him many points for that, either. "Special" is a corner fortune-teller's prediction, it's too vague to give very many points for. Still not very sure that being asexual is rare enough that 'one of the eight girls was an asexual' is particularly surprising either, or a higher rate than we would normally expect, and I'm not giving him points for it until someone convinces me that it is. The Chosen of Asmodeus being unable to sell her soul..."

"I have no explanation for that one, it's legitimately bizarre that he would be able to predict that. But it's one prediction, not many."

"So I don't think that unbroken prophecy is necessary to explain most of the predictions I've heard, and if it's only one, I'm inclined to think that there's a less-bizarre explanation that I haven't thought of yet, especially if he's been making a lot of them. But if he is right, and there are - let's say trillions - of Golarions, then - "

"I don't entirely know how that interfaces with my theory. It's a little hard to wrap my head around, someone writing a romance novel not by writing it, but by - what, paging through every possible string of words that could make up a book, and selecting the one that read most like a romance novel? I - guess I'm inclined to say that if more fundamental features of reality do start looking like they would make more sense if they were a romance novel than in any more normal situation - not Keltham's personal interactions, which we and lots of other powers are manipulating constantly, but like, I don't know, the cultural practices of nations, the distributions of traits on our world other than masochism, something that doesn't have as many obvious alternative explanations as masochism - if the world in general starts to look like that, then that should move us towards the romance novel theory and also away from my theory, because if we're being selected that way then I don't think there's any reason why we would also expect Keltham's people to have originally been from Golarion."

"Probably. I guess. Unless dath ilani are all subconsciously into the things that caused their ancestors to have lots of the sex that resulted in their slightly less distant ancestors, and write romance novels that reflect their ancestral environment, even though they have no records of it. Which would loop us back around to - I don't even know."

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"Do we have a transcript of the conversation where he said that, I think I want to read it. Because I notice that one of the reasons that I'm not persuaded that it's rare is that I also don't want to have sex with anyone, ever, and I notice that I have now been assigned to the Wall section. Not that I find that convincing, but it's information you might want to have. So. That's out there, now."

"Anyway. If I'm going to make a really solid argument about this, I'm probably going to need a written list of every prediction Keltham has made relating to the patterns and likely plot twists of the romance novel that he finds himself in, and which ones have come true and which ones haven't. But my snap judgement is - landing on Sevar, that's obviously not chance, but neither is it prophecy; it sounds like personality filtering of the same kind that gods probably do to identify clerics. If Asmodeus grabbed Keltham, it stands to reason that he would drop Keltham on the Asmodean person most compatible with him in the ways necessary for Asmodeus's goals. I'm pretty sure you said the first prediction Keltham made was the question about his harem having interesting backgrounds or problems to solve, but being an oracle isn't that; as far as I've been told, there's no reason to believe that either of the oracles was particularly special until after coming into contact with Keltham. They're not even clerics, which would constrain their alignments a really improbable amount - I tried to look something up about it after I heard about them, and I don't know yet that there are any known constraints on who can become or be made an oracle. So I'm not inclined to give him many points for that, either. "Special" is a corner fortune-teller's prediction, it's too vague to give very many points for. Still not very sure that being asexual is rare enough that 'one of the eight girls was an asexual' is particularly surprising either, or a higher rate than we would normally expect, and I'm not giving him points for it until someone convinces me that it is. The Chosen of Asmodeus being unable to sell her soul..."

"I have no explanation for that one, it's legitimately bizarre that he would be able to predict that. But it's one prediction, not many."

"So I don't think that unbroken prophecy is necessary to explain most of the predictions I've heard, and if it's only one, I'm inclined to think that there's a less-bizarre explanation that I haven't thought of yet, especially if he's been making a lot of them. But if he is right, and there are - let's say trillions - of Golarions, then - "

"I don't entirely know how that interfaces with my theory. It's a little hard to wrap my head around, someone writing a romance novel not by writing it, but by - what, paging through every possible string of words that could make up a book, and selecting the one that read most like a romance novel? I - guess I'm inclined to say that if more fundamental features of reality do start looking like they would make more sense if they were a romance novel than in any more normal situation - not Keltham's personal interactions, which we and lots of other powers are manipulating constantly, but like, I don't know, the cultural practices of nations, the distributions of traits on our world other than masochism, something that doesn't have as many obvious alternative explanations as masochism - if the world in general starts to look like that, then that should move us towards the romance novel theory and also away from my theory, because if we're being selected that way then I don't think there's any reason why we would also expect Keltham's people to have originally been from Golarion, if you can just generate trillions and trillions and trillions of worlds that all independently have humans in them and every possible combination of events."

"Probably. I guess. Unless dath ilani are all subconsciously into the things that caused their ancestors to have lots of the sex that resulted in their slightly less distant ancestors, and write romance novels that reflect their ancestral environment, even though they have no records of it. Which would loop us back around to - I don't even know."