Here's another children's fable about a child who insists that there's an invisible Non-Translating-Fictional-Creature in their closet, but always refuses to bet on any observable that, you might normally think, would tend to go along with there being an Invisible Creature in that closet.

The point of this fable is to learn to distinguish between subjective states of:

- Really actually modeling something as true in an uncomplicated way, and unhesitatingly deriving the valid consequences of that and anticipating them to happen to you as future experiences; eagerly betting on those if you think others don't have even more information.

- Thinking you ought to believe something, for reasons that include deliberative arguments for why the thing is true; while other parts of you have some wordless other model in which the thing isn't true, the corresponding observables shouldn't actually be anticipated to happen to you, any bets like that will lose money and any promised rewards won't really be delivered to you.

This will create a kind of internal tension that shouldn't be too hard to learn to categorize over and learn perceptual reflexes about, if you can spot it on a couple of previous occasions... actually that seems like something that should be heavily Wisdom-loaded?  If somebody thinks they've caught themselves doing this, or is wondering if they're doing this, they should quickly ask for an Owl's Wisdom so that they can see the internal feelings sharply and learn to recognize them on future occasions.

- Endorsing a verbal statement for social or other reasons that give you a non-accuracy-maximized payoff structure for the outward verbal behavior, such as, for example, your friends saying things and you wanting to smile and agree with them.

If you fail at some other mental exercises kids are taught, there'll probably be an internal pressure to believe the verbal statement: that's a very short route to smiling and agreeing that doesn't create painful internal dilemmas about violating the rules against lying, and your brain knows that.  Don't rely on being able to notice how the actual-belief pressures are running into contradictory evidence or counterarguments; you want to catch this at the introspective stage of noticing the pressure-to-endorse at all, and just switch off that pressure.  Not believe the opposite, reversed stupidity isn't intelligence after all, but switching off the pressure.

To sum up, the idea is roughly that you want to explicitly categorize and notice the subjective difference between:

- What you ought to believe, which is also usually the feeling of a verbal argument supporting something;
- What your brain is actually modeling and anticipating happening to you;
- What you think you'll be rewarded for believing, especially socially.

You want to notice when the first two get out of alignment and start producing standard symptoms of standard internal disagreements along those lines; and for the third thing, of course, you want to notice it and switch it off except as an observation about some bad incentive structure that needs to be repaired.

This is all standard stuff for dath ilani children and doesn't turn them into Keepers.  Does it sound like something that's liable to cause people to fracture in weird ways if you teach it to somebody from Golarion and they already grew up as adults not knowing it?

Here's another children's fable about a child who insists that there's an invisible Non-Translating-Fictional-Creature in their closet, but always refuses to bet on any observable that, you might normally think, would tend to go along with there being an Invisible Creature in that closet.

The point of this fable is to learn to distinguish between subjective states of:

- Really actually modeling something as true in an uncomplicated way, and unhesitatingly deriving the valid consequences of that and anticipating them to happen to you as future experiences; eagerly betting on those if you think others don't have even more information.

- Thinking you ought to believe something, for reasons that include deliberative arguments for why the thing is true; while other parts of you have some wordless other model in which the thing isn't true, the corresponding observables shouldn't actually be anticipated to happen to you, any bets like that will lose money and any promised rewards won't really be delivered to you.

This will create a kind of internal tension that shouldn't be too hard to learn to categorize over and learn perceptual reflexes about, if you can spot it on a couple of previous occasions... actually that seems like something that should be heavily Wisdom-loaded?  If somebody thinks they've caught themselves doing this, or is wondering if they're doing this, they should quickly ask for an Owl's Wisdom so that they can see the internal feelings sharply and learn to recognize them on future occasions.

- Endorsing a verbal statement for social or other reasons that give you a non-accuracy-maximized payoff structure for the outward verbal behavior, such as, for example, your friends saying things and you wanting to smile and agree with them.

If you fail at some other mental exercises kids are taught, there'll probably be an internal pressure to believe the verbal statement: that's a very short route to smiling and agreeing that doesn't create painful internal dilemmas about violating the rules against lying, and your brain knows that.  Don't rely on being able to notice how the actual-belief pressures are running into contradictory evidence or counterarguments; you want to catch this at the introspective stage of noticing the pressure-to-endorse at all, and just switch off that pressure.  Not believe the opposite, reversed stupidity isn't intelligence after all, but switching off the pressure.

To sum up, the idea is roughly that you want to explicitly categorize and notice the subjective difference between:

- What you ought to believe, which is also usually the feeling of a verbal argument supporting something;
- What your brain is actually modeling and anticipating happening to you;
- What you think you'll be rewarded for believing, especially socially.

You want to notice when the first two get out of alignment and start producing standard symptoms of standard internal disagreements along those lines.  As for that awful third thing, of course, you want to notice the feeling and destroy/switch-off that pressure inside yourself, leaving only an observation about some bad incentive structure that needs to be repaired if it can be, and ignored if it can't be.

This is all standard stuff for dath ilani children and doesn't turn them into Keepers.  Does it sound like something that's liable to cause people to fracture in weird ways if you teach it to somebody from Golarion and they already grew up as adults not knowing it?

Here's another children's fable about a child who insists that there's an invisible Non-Translating-Fictional-Creature in their closet, but always refuses to bet on any observable that, you might normally think, would tend to go along with there being an Invisible Creature in that closet.

The point of this fable is to learn to distinguish between subjective states of:

- Really actually modeling something as true in an uncomplicated way, and unhesitatingly deriving the valid consequences of that and anticipating them to happen to you as future experiences; eagerly betting on those if you think others don't have even more information.

- Thinking you ought to believe something, for reasons that include deliberative arguments for why the thing is true; while other parts of you have some wordless other model in which the thing isn't true, the corresponding observables shouldn't actually be anticipated to happen to you, any bets like that will lose money and any promised rewards won't really be delivered to you.

This will create a kind of internal tension that shouldn't be too hard to learn to categorize over and learn perceptual reflexes about, if you can spot it on a couple of previous occasions... actually that seems like something that should be heavily Wisdom-loaded?  If somebody thinks they've caught themselves doing this, or is wondering if they're doing this, they should quickly ask for an Owl's Wisdom so that they can see the internal feelings sharply and learn to recognize them on future occasions.

- Endorsing a verbal statement for social or other reasons that give you a non-accuracy-maximized payoff structure for the outward verbal behavior, such as, for example, your friends saying things and you wanting to smile and agree with them.

If you fail at some other mental exercises kids are taught, there'll probably be an internal pressure to believe the verbal statement: that's a very short route to smiling and agreeing that doesn't create painful internal dilemmas about violating the rules against lying, and your brain knows that.  Don't rely on being able to notice how the actual-belief pressures are running into contradictory evidence or counterarguments; you want to catch this at the introspective stage of noticing the pressure-to-endorse at all, and just switch off that pressure.  Not believe the opposite, reversed stupidity isn't intelligence after all, but switching off the pressure.

To sum up, the idea is roughly that you want to explicitly categorize and notice the subjective difference between:

- What you ought to believe, which is also usually the feeling of a verbal argument supporting something;
- What your brain is actually modeling and anticipating happening to you;
- What you think you'll be rewarded for believing, especially socially.

You want to notice when the first two get out of alignment and start producing standard symptoms of internal disalignments along those fault lines.  As for that awful third thing, of course, you want to notice the feeling and destroy/switch-off that pressure inside yourself; leaving only an observation about some bad incentive structure that needs to be repaired if it can be, and ignored if it can't be.

This is all standard stuff for dath ilani children and doesn't turn them into Keepers.  Does it sound like something that's liable to cause people to fracture in weird ways if you teach it to somebody from Golarion and they already grew up as adults not knowing it?