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This kind of perspective-taking, in the special case of learning to think as if you've erased a piece of knowledge from your own mind, is a critical substep as a mental skill.

It appears, for example, in the art of figuring out which 'premises' and 'lemmas' are needed to 'reason-step-by-step' through a 'mathproof'.  If you know too well that three times three is supposed to equal nine, if you can't 'perspective_take-on-ignorance' and block the great obviousness out of your mind, you'll have a harder time remembering that multiplication is 'defined-out-of' addition.  You will have a hard time coming up with the argument 'built-up-out-of-simpler-terms', the one that says, 'Well, to see why three times three is nine, consider that three plus three plus three is nine', because it will be so obvious to you that three times three is nine that you can no longer slow down and say why that is.  You won't know that three plus three equals six is a critical step along the way to three times three equals nine.

In the same sense, here, they're trying to grab private ownership by individuals out of air, because it's so obvious that they can't properly erase it from their own minds as an available solution, and think of solutions simpler than that, which would also solve the simpler problems as they are being posed.  Not as well, yes, but somebody with an erased mind wouldn't know their solution was worse than some other one.

This skill of being able to blank out a habitual solution from your mind, and look for a simpler one, is also the same sort of skill you'd use to, say, look past 'Ione and Pilar and Carissa went off because of a Conspiracy', where the thought of a Conspiracy seems so ready to hand as a solution, and say, 'Well maybe Ione and Pilar went off with Carrissa to do something that happened because of Ione and Pilar being out of commission for a couple of days.'  If Keltham wasn't confident in his training in this skill of blanking-out, he really wouldn't dare to consider Conspiracy as a hypothesis because he actually would see it inevitably everywhere even in the Ordinary world, as a solution that leaps to mind and blanks out other solutions and can't properly be forgotten.

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This kind of perspective-taking, in the special case of learning to think as if you've erased a piece of knowledge from your own mind, is a vital mental skill that appears as a subskill of many others.

It appears, for example, in the art of figuring out which 'premises' and 'lemmas' are needed to 'reason-step-by-step' through a 'mathproof'.  If you know too well that three times three is supposed to equal nine, if you can't 'perspective_take-on-ignorance' and block the great obviousness out of your mind, you'll have a harder time remembering that multiplication is 'defined-out-of' addition.  You will have a hard time coming up with the argument 'built-up-out-of-simpler-terms', the one that says, 'Well, to see why three times three is nine, consider that three plus three plus three is nine', because it will be so obvious to you that three times three is nine that you can no longer slow down and say why that is.  You won't know that three plus three equals six is a critical step along the way to three times three equals nine.

In the same sense, here, they're trying to grab private ownership by individuals out of air, because it's so obvious that they can't properly erase it from their own minds as an available solution, and think of solutions simpler than that, which would also solve the simpler problems as they are being posed.  Not as well, yes, but somebody with an erased mind wouldn't know their solution was worse than some other one.

This skill of being able to blank out a habitual solution from your mind, and look for a simpler one, is also the same sort of skill you'd use to, say, look past 'Ione and Pilar and Carissa went off because of a Conspiracy', where the thought of a Conspiracy seems so ready to hand as a solution, and say, 'Well maybe Ione and Pilar went off with Carrissa to do something that happened because of Ione and Pilar being out of commission for a couple of days.'  If Keltham wasn't confident in his training in this skill of blanking-out, he really wouldn't dare to consider Conspiracy as a hypothesis because he actually would see it inevitably everywhere even in the Ordinary world, as a solution that leaps to mind and blanks out other solutions and can't properly be forgotten.

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This kind of perspective-taking, in the special case of learning to think as if you've erased a piece of knowledge from your own mind, is a vital mental skill that appears as a subskill of many others.

It appears, for example, in the art of figuring out which 'premises' and 'lemmas' are needed to 'reason-step-by-step' through a 'mathproof'.  If you know too well that three times three is supposed to equal nine, if you can't 'perspective_take-on-ignorance' and block the great obviousness out of your mind, you'll have a harder time remembering that multiplication is 'defined-out-of' addition.  You will have a hard time coming up with the argument 'built-up-out-of-simpler-terms', the one that says, 'Well, to see why three times three is nine, consider that three plus three plus three is nine', because it will be so obvious to you that three times three is nine that you can no longer slow down and say why that is.  You won't know that three plus three equals six is a critical step along the way to three times three equals nine.

In the same sense, here, they're trying to grab private ownership by individuals out of air, because it's so obvious that they can't properly erase it from their own minds as an available solution, and think of solutions simpler than that, which would also solve the simpler problems as they are being posed.  Not as well, yes, but somebody with an erased mind wouldn't know their solution was worse than some other one.

This skill of being able to blank out a habitual solution from your mind, and look for a simpler one, is also the same sort of skill you'd use to, say, look past 'Ione and Pilar and Carissa went off because of a Conspiracy', where the thought of a Conspiracy seems so ready to hand as a solution, and say, 'Well maybe Ione and Pilar went off with Carrissa to do something that happened because of Ione and Pilar being out of commission for a couple of days.'  If Keltham wasn't confident in his training in this skill of blanking-out, he really wouldn't dare to consider Conspiracy as a hypothesis because he actually would see it inevitably everywhere even in the Ordinary world, as a solution that leaps to mind and blanks out other solutions and can't properly be forgotten.

When Keltham first arrived at the Worldwound, the seventh-circle wizard who showed up for his Teleport told him that he'd be safer and more able to pursue his goals in Cheliax, and able to purchase passage back from Ostenso to elsewhere, and added 'I give you my word'.  Keltham tried to explain to him that, from Keltham's perspective, the apparent explicit information being presented to him was along the lines of 'you would probably worry that if you go to this place in Ostenso, you might not be able to pay for passage back, and you wouldn't usually believe me if I just told you otherwise, but you'll probably believe me if I add "I give you my word" about it'.  Keltham's actual state of ignorance was such that the main things he was doubting were on the order of 'Are those giant monsters inside the forcefield possibly the real good guys here?' or 'Does any such place as Cheliax actually exist?'

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This kind of perspective-taking, in the special case of learning to think as if you've erased a piece of knowledge from your own mind, is a vital mental skill that appears as a subskill of many others.

It appears, for example, in the art of figuring out which 'premises' and 'lemmas' are needed to 'reason-step-by-step' through a 'mathproof'.  If you know too well that three times three is supposed to equal nine, if you can't 'perspective_take-on-ignorance' and block the great obviousness out of your mind, you'll have a harder time remembering that multiplication is 'defined-out-of' addition.  You will have a hard time coming up with the argument 'built-up-out-of-simpler-terms', the one that says, 'Well, to see why three times three is nine, consider that three plus three plus three is nine', because it will be so obvious to you that three times three is nine that you can no longer slow down and say why that is.  You won't know that three plus three equals six is a critical step along the way to three times three equals nine.

In the same sense, here, they're trying to grab private ownership by individuals out of air, because it's so obvious that they can't properly erase it from their own minds as an available solution, and think of solutions simpler than that, which would also solve the simpler problems as they are being posed.  Not as well, yes, but somebody with an erased mind wouldn't know their solution was worse than some other one.

This skill of being able to blank out a habitual solution from your mind, and look for a simpler one, is also the same sort of skill you'd use to, say, look past 'Ione and Pilar and Carissa went off because of a Conspiracy', where the thought of a Conspiracy seems so ready to hand as a solution, and say, 'Well maybe Ione and Pilar went off with Carrissa to do something that happened because of Ione and Pilar being out of commission for a couple of days.'  If Keltham wasn't confident in his training in this skill of blanking-out, he really wouldn't dare to consider Conspiracy as a hypothesis because he actually would see it inevitably everywhere even in the Ordinary world, as a solution that leaps to mind and blanks out other solutions and can't properly be forgotten.

When Keltham first arrived at the Worldwound, the seventh-circle wizard who showed up for his Teleport told him that he'd be safer and more able to pursue his goals in Cheliax, and able to purchase passage back from Ostenso to elsewhere, and added 'I give you my word'.  Keltham tried to explain to him that, from Keltham's perspective, the apparent implied information being presented to him was along the lines of 'you would probably worry that if you go to this place in Ostenso, you might not be able to pay for passage back, and you wouldn't usually believe me if I just told you otherwise, but you'll probably believe me if I add "I give you my word" about it'.  Keltham's actual state of ignorance was such that this implied information was not very useful, because the main things he was doubting were on the order of 'Are those giant monsters inside the forcefield possibly the real good guys here?' or 'Does any such place as Cheliax actually exist?'

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This kind of perspective-taking, in the special case of learning to think as if you've erased a piece of knowledge from your own mind, is a vital mental skill that appears as a subskill of many others.

It appears, for example, in the art of figuring out which 'premises' and 'lemmas' are needed to 'reason-step-by-step' through a 'mathproof'.  If you know too well that three times three is supposed to equal nine, if you can't 'perspective_take-on-ignorance' and block the great obviousness out of your mind, you'll have a harder time remembering that multiplication is 'defined-out-of' addition.  You will have a hard time coming up with the argument 'built-up-out-of-simpler-terms', the one that says, 'Well, to see why three times three is nine, consider that three plus three plus three is nine', because it will be so obvious to you that three times three is nine that you can no longer slow down and say why that is.  You won't know that three plus three equals six is a critical step along the way to three times three equals nine.

In the same sense, here, they're trying to grab private ownership by individuals out of air, because it's so obvious that they can't properly erase it from their own minds as an available solution, and think of solutions simpler than that, which would also solve the simpler problems as they are being posed.  Not as well, yes, but somebody with an erased mind wouldn't know their solution was worse than some other one.

This skill of being able to blank out a habitual solution from your mind, and look for a simpler one, is also the same sort of skill you'd use to, say, look past 'Ione and Pilar and Carissa went off because of a Conspiracy', where the thought of a Conspiracy seems so ready to hand as a solution, and say, 'Well maybe Ione and Pilar went off with Carrissa to do something that happened because of Ione and Pilar being out of commission for a couple of days.'  If Keltham wasn't confident in his training in this skill of blanking-out, he really wouldn't dare to consider Conspiracy as a hypothesis because he actually would see it inevitably everywhere even in the Ordinary world, as a solution that leaps to mind and blanks out other solutions and can't properly be forgotten.

When Keltham first arrived at the Worldwound, the seventh-circle wizard who showed up for his Teleport told him that he'd be safer and more able to pursue his goals in Cheliax, and able to purchase passage back from Ostenso to elsewhere, and added 'I give you my word'.  Keltham tried to explain to him that, from Keltham's perspective, the apparent implied information being presented to him was along the lines of 'you would probably worry that if you go to this place in Ostenso, you might not be able to pay for passage back, and you wouldn't usually believe me if I just told you otherwise, but you'll probably believe me if I add "I give you my word" about it'.  Keltham's actual state of ignorance was such that even this implied information was not very useful to him, because the main things he was doubting were on the order of 'Are those giant monsters inside the forcefield possibly the real good guys here?' or 'Does any such place as Cheliax actually exist?'

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This kind of perspective-taking, in the special case of learning to think as if you've erased a piece of knowledge from your own mind, is a vital mental skill that appears as a subskill of many others.

It appears, for example, in the art of figuring out which 'premises' and 'lemmas' are needed to 'reason-step-by-step' through a 'mathproof'.  If you know too well that three times three is supposed to equal nine, if you can't 'perspective_take-on-ignorance' and block the great obviousness out of your mind, you'll have a harder time remembering that multiplication is 'defined-out-of' addition.  You will have a hard time coming up with the argument 'built-up-out-of-simpler-terms', the one that says, 'Well, to see why three times three is nine, consider that three plus three plus three is nine', because it will be so obvious to you that three times three is nine that you can no longer slow down and say why that is.  You won't know that three plus three equals six is a critical step along the way to three times three equals nine.

In the same sense, here, they're trying to grab private ownership by individuals out of air, because it's so obvious that they can't properly erase it from their own minds as an available solution, and think of solutions simpler than that, which would also solve the simpler problems as they are being posed.  Not as well, yes, but somebody with an erased mind wouldn't know their solution was worse than some other one.

This skill of being able to blank out a habitual solution from your mind, and look for a simpler one, is also the same sort of skill you'd use to, say, look past 'Ione and Pilar and Carissa went off because of a Conspiracy', where the thought of a Conspiracy seems so ready to hand as a solution, and say, 'Well maybe Ione and Pilar went off with Carrissa to fix some issue that happened because of Ione and Pilar being out of commission for a couple of days.'  If Keltham wasn't confident in his training in this skill of blanking-out, he really wouldn't dare to consider Conspiracy as a hypothesis because he actually would see it inevitably everywhere even in the Ordinary world, as a solution that leaps to mind and blanks out other solutions and can't properly be forgotten.

When Keltham first arrived at the Worldwound, the seventh-circle wizard who showed up for his Teleport told him that he'd be safer and more able to pursue his goals in Cheliax, and able to purchase passage back from Ostenso to elsewhere, and added 'I give you my word'.  Keltham tried to explain to him that, from Keltham's perspective, the apparent implied information being presented to him was along the lines of 'you would probably worry that if you go to this place in Ostenso, you might not be able to pay for passage back, and you wouldn't usually believe me if I just told you otherwise, but you'll probably believe me if I add "I give you my word" about it'.  Keltham's actual state of ignorance was such that even this implied information was not very useful to him, because the main things he was doubting were on the order of 'Are those giant monsters inside the forcefield possibly the real good guys here?' or 'Does any such place as Cheliax actually exist?'