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"Acknowledged."

 

 

"So - I think one way of looking at this - is that we can think in terms of - this normal effect that our actions have, and then a second effect that they have through - making universes exist or not exist, or maybe, making Golarions get or not get Kelthams."

"I feel like that itself is probably something where Keltham's Law is later going to contradict me, because Law isn't the sort of thing that should have 'normal' effects and 'second' effects, it'll just be about effects, somehow.  But we don't have that Law and I don't know how to think about it that way, yet."

"If there's - just one Keltham who has to be somewhere and just one Golarion who gets him and all the other ones don't exist - then - I think we can not talk about demon lords in order to not have them appear?  Or, no, maybe that choice is like - having it retroactively be the case - that we don't exist and this world isn't here - except, it's not like we blink out of existence or anything, it's that instead there's always all along been some Asmodia and some Sevar who arrived at a decision more convenient to the tropes.  And we're having this conversation after it was all decided, but that conversation has its effects before it was all decided, so we have to pretend it hasn't been decided yet, because where the conversation matters, it wasn't."

"This is so much not what the actual Law is going to sound like, I can already tell, the Law isn't going to be about, do you look at it this way, go look at it that way, there's just going to be one unifying principle.  But I don't know what that is and instead I have to try to work with, ideas, words, and hope they end up corresponding to the right law-fragments -"

"But if I had to guess at one of those fragments - maybe it would be something like - if you imagine that the tropes are about to start over and do this all again, and we're getting to advise the Sevars and Asmodias inside the worlds the tropes are selecting from, what do we tell them to do?  And then the answer to that will have to be the same as the answer to what that Law says we should actually do right now."

"If the number of Kelthams changes depending on what the Asmodias and Sevars do, I think we advise them to go ahead and talk naturally about powerful beings they don't want showing up, because in worlds where the tropes wanted to make a demon lord show up with a warning, our telling the Asmodias and Sevars never to mention them, means those worlds don't get Kelthams.  I'm glad my world got a Keltham and I expect you're even more so."

"If there's one Keltham or a fixed number..."

"I can't actually figure it out.  It seems like this weird twisty sideways thing.  Pause to get a Cunning on me and if that doesn't work a Splendour too?"

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"Acknowledged."

 

 

"So - I think one way of looking at this - is that we can think in terms of - this normal effect that our actions have, and then a second effect that they have through - making universes exist or not exist, or maybe, making Golarions get or not get Kelthams."

"And Keltham's Law is later going to contradict me about that, because Law isn't the sort of thing that should have 'normal' effects and 'second' effects, it'll just be about effects, somehow.  But we don't have that Law and I don't know how to think about it that way, yet."

"If there's - just one Keltham who has to be somewhere and just one Golarion who gets him and all the other ones don't exist - then - I think we can not talk about demon lords in order to not have them appear?  Or, no, maybe that choice is like - having it retroactively be the case - that we don't exist and this world isn't here - except, it's not like we blink out of existence or anything, it's that instead there's always all along been some Asmodia and some Sevar who arrived at a decision more convenient to the tropes.  And we're having this conversation after it was all decided, but that conversation has its effects before it was all decided, so we have to pretend it hasn't been decided yet, because where the conversation matters, it wasn't."

"This is so much not what the actual Law is going to sound like, I can already tell.  The Law isn't going to be about, do you look at it this way, go look at it that way.  There's just going to be one unifying principle that treats all the numbers the same way.  But I don't know what that principle is, and instead I have to try to work with, ideas, words, and hope they end up corresponding to true Law-fragments -"

"But if I had to guess at one of those fragments - maybe it would be something like - if you imagine that the tropes are about to start over and do this all again, and we're getting to advise the Sevars and Asmodias inside the worlds the tropes are selecting from, what do we tell them to do?  And then the answer to that will have to be the same as the answer to what that Law says we should actually do right now."

"If the number of Kelthams changes depending on what the Asmodias and Sevars do, I think we advise them to go ahead and talk naturally about powerful beings they don't want showing up, because in worlds where the tropes wanted to make a demon lord show up with a warning, our telling the Asmodias and Sevars never to mention them, means those worlds don't get Kelthams.  I'm glad my world got a Keltham and I expect you're even more so."

"If there's one Keltham or a fixed number..."

"I can't actually figure it out.  It seems like this weird twisty sideways thing.  Pause to get a Cunning on me and if that doesn't work a Splendour too?"

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"Acknowledged."

 

 

"So - I think one way of looking at this - is that we can think in terms of - this normal effect that our actions have, and then a second effect that they have through - making universes exist or not exist, or maybe, making Golarions get or not get Kelthams."

"And Keltham's Law is later going to contradict me about that, because Law isn't the sort of thing that should have 'normal' effects and 'second' effects, it'll just be about effects, somehow.  But we don't have that Law and I don't know how to think about it that way, yet."

"If there's - just one Keltham who has to be somewhere and just one Golarion who gets him and all the other ones don't exist - then - I think we can not talk about demon lords in order to not have them appear?  Or, no, maybe that choice is like - having it retroactively be the case - that we don't exist and this world isn't here - except, it's not like we blink out of existence or anything, it's that instead there's always all along been some Asmodia and some Sevar who arrived at a decision more convenient to the tropes.  And we're having this conversation after it was all decided, but that conversation has its effects before it was all decided, so we have to pretend it hasn't been decided yet, because where the conversation matters, it wasn't."

"This is so much not what the actual Law is going to sound like, I can already tell.  The Law isn't going to be about, do you look at it this way, go look at it that way.  There's just going to be one unifying principle that treats all the numbers the same way.  But I don't know what that principle is, and instead I have to try to work with, ideas, words, and hope they end up corresponding to true Law-fragments -"

"But if I had to guess at one of those fragments - maybe it would be something like - if you imagine that the tropes are about to start over and do this all again, and we're getting to advise the Sevars and Asmodias inside the worlds the tropes are selecting from, what do we tell them to do?  And then the answer to that will have to be the same as the answer to what that Law says we should actually do right now."

"If the number of Kelthams changes depending on what the Asmodias and Sevars do, I think we advise them to go ahead and talk naturally about powerful beings they don't want showing up, because in worlds where the tropes wanted to make a demon lord show up with a warning, our telling the Asmodias and Sevars never to mention them, means those worlds don't get Kelthams.  I'm glad my world got a Keltham and I expect you're even more so."

"If there's one Keltham or a fixed number..."

"I can't actually figure it out.  It seems like this weird twisty sideways thing.  Pause to get a Cunning on me?"