"I suspect this is in fact a different experience at 18 Intelligence and whatever I turn out to have in the way of Wisdom and other stuff your system can't measure at all."

"If you already had it figured out, you wouldn't need to tie me to a chair.  The claim is completely implausible."

"Asking me questions from slightly different angles can be done without that part.  Pointing out contradictions in what I said is stupid, you should let me keep talking without telling me how I'm giving myself away, the same way I didn't speak up immediately when I realized the people around me had suddenly acquired Arcane Sight, just in case that was being hidden for some actually interesting reason."

"Hitting me does not seem particularly likely to shift how much I consider my long-term interest, except insofar as I decide that I clearly have a very strong long-term interest in certain parts of Governance ceasing to exist."

"I hope I don't need to point out that if we're considering applying enough pain, matched to a light enough penalty for the actual crime, that somebody who yields to threats, thinks it's in their direct interest to confess, this is exactly as likely to work on innocent people as guilty people?  Unless the true murderer is known in advance to have information they can give up, such that the police can verify with near-certainty that the confession was true?  Otherwise it's isomorphic to offering somebody a thousand gold pieces to confess to a crime whose penalty is a hundred gold-piece fine.  Sure, the guilty party will confess, and so will any innocent ones.  You're putting them in a situation which isn't a Lawful scoring rule, you're not offering maximum reward for true confessions distinct from false confessions and you shouldn't expect the words people say to communicate anything."

"Unless you think you're supposed to tell the truth even when somebody has tied you to a chair and is hitting you?  In Civilization it would just be considered obvious that this is not a cooperative setup where you have an interest in your words being heard as meaning things, you mostly want for the situation you're in to not exist in the first place, so everyone will just lie and try to trash the setup as hard as possible."

"I suspect this is in fact a different experience at 18 Intelligence and whatever I turn out to have in the way of Wisdom and other stuff your system can't measure at all."

"If you already had it figured out, you wouldn't need to tie me to a chair.  The claim is completely implausible."

"Asking me questions from slightly different angles can be done without tying me to a chair.  Pointing out contradictions in what I said is stupid, you should let me keep talking without telling me how I'm giving myself away, the same way I didn't speak up immediately when I realized the people around me had suddenly acquired Arcane Sight, just in case that was being hidden for some actually interesting reason."

"Hitting me does not seem particularly likely to shift how much I consider my long-term interest, except insofar as I decide that I clearly have a very strong long-term interest in certain parts of Governance ceasing to exist."

"I hope I don't need to point out that if we're considering applying enough pain, matched to a light enough penalty for the actual crime, that somebody who yields to threats, thinks it's in their direct interest to confess, this is exactly as likely to work on innocent people as guilty people?  Unless the true murderer is known in advance to have information they can give up, such that the police can verify with near-certainty that the confession was true?  Otherwise it's isomorphic to offering somebody a thousand gold pieces to confess to a crime whose penalty is a hundred gold-piece fine.  Sure, the guilty party will confess, and so will any innocent ones.  You're putting them in a situation which isn't a Lawful scoring rule, you're not offering maximum reward for true confessions distinct from false confessions and you shouldn't expect the words people say to communicate anything."

"Unless you think you're supposed to tell the truth even when somebody has tied you to a chair and is hitting you?  In Civilization it would just be considered obvious that this is not a cooperative setup where you have an interest in your words being heard as meaning things, you mostly want for the situation you're in to not exist in the first place, so everyone will just lie and try to trash the setup as hard as possible."

"I suspect this is in fact a different experience at 18 Intelligence and whatever I turn out to have in the way of Wisdom and other stuff your system can't measure at all."

"If you already had it figured out, you wouldn't need to tie me to a chair.  The claim is completely implausible."

"Asking me questions from slightly different angles can be done without tying me to a chair.  Pointing out contradictions in what I said is stupid, you should let me keep talking without telling me how I'm giving myself away, the same way I didn't speak up immediately when I realized the people around me had suddenly acquired Arcane Sight, just in case that was being hidden for some actually interesting reason."

"Hitting me does not seem particularly likely to shift how much I consider my long-term interest, except insofar as I decide that I clearly have a very strong long-term interest in certain parts of Governance ceasing to exist."

"I hope I don't need to point out that if we're considering applying enough pain, matched to a light enough penalty for the actual crime, that somebody who yields to threats, thinks it's in their direct interest to confess, this is exactly as likely to work on innocent people as guilty people?  Unless the true murderer is known in advance to have information they can give up, such that the police can verify with near-certainty that the confession was true?  Otherwise it's isomorphic to offering somebody a thousand gold pieces to confess to a crime whose penalty is a hundred gold-piece fine.  Sure, the guilty party will confess, and so will any innocent ones.  You're putting them in a situation which isn't a Lawful scoring rule, you're not offering maximum reward for true confessions distinct from false confessions and you shouldn't expect the words people say to communicate anything."

"Unless you think you're supposed to tell the truth even when somebody has tied you to a chair and is hitting you?  In Civilization it would just be considered obvious that this is not a cooperative setup where you have an interest in your words being heard as meaning things, you mostly want for the situation you're in to not exist in the first place, so everyone will just try to trash the setup as hard as possible."