"I don't see why it'd be meaningless? I mean, it might be not the wisest thing to do given costs and benefits, but it's not meaningless. You can look at the world and see whether or not it's true that somebody's wife actually got killed by goblins. You can look at the world and see whether those goblins got dead."
"If you're driven to make the goblins be dead because they killed your wife, then the content, the meaning, of that drive inside you, either isn't true or false in the first place, or we have to build a complicated scaffolding about it to see how it's true or false in a complicated way."