"Well, you could take a class of high-disagreeability five-year-olds, and expose them to different information about the same play-mystery, and see if you could get them to shout at each other about how they were lying about the probabilities."

"Or actually - possibly there's a simple thing that I guess people in Golarion actually could be doing wrong, if they haven't had any training?  Which is thinking you believe a bunch of sentences, where your scaffolding is broken to the point where you can't even take the sentence and figure out, what is it in the outer world, beyond the sentence itself, that would make them be true or false or righter or wronger?  What's the equivalent of Keltham's left hand and 'now' and the kind of coin that has to be inside it?"

"If you were six-year-olds, I could come in and very sincerely tell you about which animals were or weren't wakalixes, and test you on which animals were or weren't wakalixes to make sure you could repeat the answer correctly, and then mix you with a different class of six-year-olds who'd been told different animals were wakalixes, by a different teacher, and see how long we could manipulate you into fighting about whose teacher had probably been more trustworthy, that before anybody realized that they had no idea what it even meant for anything to be a wakalix - that their scaffolding wasn't reaching out to any fact in reality that could make the sentences be true or false - that they'd just memorized what the teacher had said, and repeated it back, without it having meant anything."

"This being one of the ways that kids are taught to notice explicitly and speak up when they haven't understood what the ass the teacher was talking about.  And then for the rest of your learning, you're going to be up against teachers who try to throw subtler and subtler meaningless statements into your education to see if anyone calls them out on it."

"Well, you could take a class of high-disagreeability five-year-olds, and expose them to different information about the same play-mystery, and see if you could get them to shout at each other about how they were lying about the probabilities."

"Or actually - possibly there's a simple thing that I guess people in Golarion actually could be doing wrong, if they haven't had any training?  Which is thinking you believe a bunch of sentences, where your scaffolding is broken to the point where you can't even take the sentence and figure out, what is it in the outer world, beyond the sentence itself, that would make them be true or false or righter or wronger?  What's the equivalent of Keltham's left hand and 'now' and the kind of coin that has to be inside it?"

"If you were six-year-olds, I could come in and very sincerely tell you about which animals were or weren't wakalixes, and test you on which animals were or weren't wakalixes to make sure you could repeat the answer correctly, and then mix you with a different class of six-year-olds who'd been told different animals were wakalixes, by a different teacher.  And see how long we could manipulate you into fighting about whose teacher had probably been more trustworthy or honest, before anybody realized that they had no idea what it even meant for anything to be a wakalix - that their scaffolding wasn't reaching out to any fact in reality that could make the sentences be true or false - that they'd just memorized what the teacher had said, and repeated it back, without it having meant anything."

"This being one of the ways that kids are taught to notice explicitly and speak up when they haven't understood what the ass somebody was talking about, instead of trying to memorize the sentence and repeat it back.  And then for the rest of your learning, you're going to be up against teachers who try to throw subtler and subtler meaningless statements into your education to see if anyone calls them out on it."

"Well, you could take a class of high-disagreeability five-year-olds, and expose them to different information about the same play-mystery, and see if you could get them to shout at each other about how they were lying about the probabilities."

"Or actually - possibly there's a simple thing that I guess people in Golarion actually could be doing wrong, if they haven't had any training?  Which is thinking you believe a bunch of sentences, where your scaffolding is broken to the point where you can't even take the sentence and figure out, what is it in the outer world, beyond the sentence itself, that would make them be true or false or righter or wronger?  What's the equivalent of Keltham's left hand and 'now' and the kind of coin that has to be inside it?"

"If you were six-year-olds, I could come in and very sincerely tell you about which animals were or weren't wakalixes, and test you on which animals were or weren't wakalixes to make sure you could repeat the answer correctly, and then mix you with a different class of six-year-olds who'd been told different animals were wakalixes, by a different teacher.  And see how long we could manipulate you into fighting about whose teacher had probably been more trustworthy or honest, before anybody realized that they had no idea what it even meant for anything to be a wakalix - that their scaffolding wasn't reaching out to any fact in reality that could make the sentences be true or false - that they'd just memorized what the teacher had said, and repeated it back, without it having meant anything."

"This being one of the ways that kids are taught to notice explicitly and speak up when they haven't understood what the ass somebody was talking about, instead of trying to memorize the sentence and repeat it back.  And then for the rest of your learning, you're going to be up against teachers who try to throw subtler and subtler meaningless or underspecified statements into your education to see if anyone calls them out on it."

"Well, you could take a class of high-disagreeability six-year-olds, and expose them to different information about the same play-mystery, and see if you could get them to shout at each other about how they were lying about the probabilities."

"Or actually - possibly there's a simple thing that I guess people in Golarion actually could be doing wrong, if they haven't had any training?  Which is thinking you believe a bunch of sentences, where your scaffolding is broken to the point where you can't even take the sentence and figure out, what is it in the outer world, beyond the sentence itself, that would make them be true or false or righter or wronger?  What's the equivalent of Keltham's left hand and 'now' and the kind of coin that has to be inside it?"

"If you were six-year-olds, I could come in and very sincerely tell you about which animals were or weren't wakalixes, and test you on which animals were or weren't wakalixes to make sure you could repeat the answer correctly, and then mix you with a different class of six-year-olds who'd been told different animals were wakalixes, by a different teacher.  And see how long we could manipulate you into fighting about whose teacher had probably been more trustworthy or honest, before anybody realized that they had no idea what it even meant for anything to be a wakalix - that their scaffolding wasn't reaching out to any fact in reality that could make the sentences be true or false - that they'd just memorized what the teacher had said, and repeated it back, without it having meant anything."

"This being one of the ways that kids are taught to notice explicitly and speak up when they haven't understood what the ass somebody was talking about, instead of trying to memorize the sentence and repeat it back.  And then for the rest of your learning, you're going to be up against teachers who try to throw subtler and subtler meaningless or underspecified statements into your education to see if anyone calls them out on it."

"Well, you could take a class of high-disagreeability six-year-olds, and expose them to different information about the same play-mystery, and see if you could get them to shout at each other about how they were lying about the probabilities."

"Or actually - possibly there's a simple thing that I guess people in Golarion actually could be doing wrong, if they haven't had any training?  Which is thinking you believe a bunch of sentences, where your scaffolding is broken to the point where you can't even take the sentence and figure out, what is it in the outer world, beyond the sentence itself, that would make them be true or false or righter or wronger?  See what's the equivalent of Keltham's left hand and 'now' and the kind of coin that has to be inside it?"

"If you were six-year-olds, I could come in and very sincerely tell you about which animals were or weren't wakalixes, and test you on which animals were or weren't wakalixes to make sure you could repeat the answer correctly, and then mix you with a different class of six-year-olds who'd been told different animals were wakalixes, by a different teacher.  And see how long we could manipulate you into fighting about whose teacher had probably been more trustworthy or honest, before anybody realized that they had no idea what it even meant for anything to be a wakalix - that their scaffolding wasn't reaching out to any fact in reality that could make the sentences be true or false - that they'd just memorized what the teacher had said, and repeated it back, without it having meant anything."

"This being one of the ways that kids are taught to notice explicitly and speak up when they haven't understood what the ass somebody was talking about, instead of trying to memorize the sentence and repeat it back.  And then for the rest of your learning, you're going to be up against teachers who try to throw subtler and subtler meaningless or underspecified statements into your education to see if anyone calls them out on it."