The gist of what Keltham is currently trying to convey:

Dath ilan has a notion of two people promising-not-swearing to each other to be together even in the Future, when they come back.

This is literally as far as a relationship can possibly escalate.

It is well past having multiple children together and raising them to maturity.

It is well past staying together for a few decades after that.

It is well past synchronizing your cryosuspension arrangements so that it happens when one person feels sort of overdue and the other person feels a bit of regret about leaving earlier, because more than any of that, they want to finish out all of their first lives together, and not be alone, nor leave the other alone, even for a year.

People who say this to each other sometimes break up only twenty years later; and that is statistically more common than the breakup of couples who just semipromised they'd be together for the rest of their first lives, and then think things over when they actually got to the Future.  For this to happen to you is one of the more social-epistemic-reputation-affecting errors you can make in the realm of relationships, predicting a relationship will last twenty thousand years when it doesn't last twenty.

No far prediction market has ever put more than a 70% chance on a promise like this, a promise upon the Future, holding up; and that's as of when the two go into cryosuspension together still unbroken.  Usually you'd want more like 85% out of a prediction market saying you wouldn't go back on it before you had a kid, or started talking socially about your two-decade monogamy compact like it was going to be a real thing and not just a fond aspiration.

People who say this is what they mean to do, and whose dignity calls on them to accept questions and objections, are typically asked if they've considered that maybe the Future could run vastly superior matching algorithms on available mates, and have qualitatively different and better potential mates who'd still be interested in an Ancient.

Even so, some dath ilani look at each other and smile and say they've got it good enough, and would rather hold none of themselves back from the promise that they make to each other.  They don't need to worry about what future opportunities they might be passing up, or whether their lives would be objectively better if they made a different decision, or if it's really honest to make somebody else a promise like that when the statistics and prediction markets say what they do.  Because they just don't need to let that sway them, that's why not.

A majority of Civilization mostly thinks those people are obviously crazy from a standpoint of expected utility maximization, but, at the same time, has a lot of respect for that.  The kind of respect you give to somebody when you wonder, deep down, if maybe they're doing it right, and you're the ones doing it wrong.

The gist of what Keltham is currently trying to convey:

Dath ilan has a notion of two people promising-not-swearing to each other to be together even in the Future, when they come back.

This is literally as far as a relationship can possibly escalate.

It is well past having multiple children together and raising them to maturity.

It is well past staying together for a few decades after that.

It is well past synchronizing your cryosuspension arrangements so that it happens when one person feels sort of overdue and the other person feels a bit of regret about leaving earlier; because more than any of that, they want to finish out all of their first lives together, and not be alone, nor leave the other alone, even for one more year.

People who say this to each other sometimes break up only twenty years later; and that is statistically more common than the breakup of couples who just semipromised they'd be together for the rest of their first lives, and then think things over when they actually got to the Future.  For this to happen to you is one of the more social-epistemic-reputation-affecting errors you can make in the realm of relationships, predicting a relationship will last twenty thousand years when it doesn't last twenty.

No far prediction market has ever put more than a 70% chance on a promise like this, a promise upon the Future, holding up; and that's as of when the two go into cryosuspension together still unbroken.  Usually you'd want more like 85% out of a prediction market saying you wouldn't go back on it before you had a kid, or started talking socially about your two-decade monogamy compact like it was going to be a real thing and not just a fond aspiration.

People who say this is what they mean to do, and whose dignity calls on them to accept questions and objections, are typically asked if they've considered that maybe the Future could run vastly superior matching algorithms on available mates, and have qualitatively different and better potential mates who'd still be interested in an Ancient.

Even so, some dath ilani look at each other and smile and say they've got it good enough, and would rather hold none of themselves back from the promise that they make to each other.  They don't need to worry about what future opportunities they might be passing up, or whether their lives would be objectively better if they made a different decision, or if it's really honest to make somebody else a promise like that when the statistics and prediction markets say what they do.  Because they just don't need to let that sway them, that's why not.

A majority of Civilization mostly thinks those people are obviously crazy from a standpoint of expected utility maximization, but, at the same time, has a lot of respect for that.  The kind of respect you give to somebody when you wonder, deep down, if maybe they're doing it right, and you're the ones doing it wrong.

The gist of what Keltham is currently trying to convey:

Dath ilan has a notion of two people promising-not-swearing to each other to be together even in the Future, when they come back.

This is literally as far as a relationship can possibly escalate.

It is well past having multiple children together and raising them to maturity.

It is well past staying together for a few decades after that.

It is well past synchronizing your cryosuspension arrangements so that it happens when one person feels sort of overdue and the other person feels a bit of regret about leaving earlier; because more than any of that, they want to finish out all of their first lives together, and not be alone, nor leave the other alone, even for one more year.

People who say this to each other sometimes break up only twenty years later; and that is statistically more common than the breakup of couples who just semipromised they'd be together for the rest of their first lives, and then think things over when they actually got to the Future.  For this to happen to you is one of the more social-epistemic-reputation-affecting errors you can make in the realm of relationships, predicting a relationship will last twenty thousand years when it doesn't last twenty.

No far prediction market has ever put more than a 70% chance on a promise like this, a promise upon the Future, holding up; and that's as of when the two go into cryosuspension together still unbroken.  Usually you'd want more like 85% out of a prediction market saying you wouldn't regret it before you had a kid, or started talking socially about your two-decade monogamy compact like it was going to be a real thing and not just a fond aspiration.

People who say this is what they mean to do, and whose dignity calls on them to accept questions and objections, are typically asked if they've considered that maybe the Future could run vastly superior matching algorithms on available mates, and have qualitatively different and better potential mates who'd still be interested in an Ancient.

Even so, some dath ilani look at each other and smile and say they've got it good enough, and would rather hold none of themselves back from the promise that they make to each other.  They don't need to worry about what future opportunities they might be passing up, or whether their lives would be objectively better if they made a different decision, or if it's really honest to make somebody else a promise like that when the statistics and prediction markets say what they do.  Because they just don't need to let that sway them, that's why not.

A majority of Civilization mostly thinks those people are obviously crazy from a standpoint of expected utility maximization, but, at the same time, has a lot of respect for that.  The kind of respect you give to somebody when you wonder, deep down, if maybe they're doing it right, and you're the ones doing it wrong.

The gist of what Keltham is currently trying to convey:

Dath ilan has a notion of two people promising-not-swearing to each other to be together even in the Future, when they come back.

This is literally as far as a relationship can possibly escalate.

It is well past having multiple children together and raising them to maturity.

It is well past staying together for a few decades after that.

It is well past synchronizing your cryosuspension arrangements so that it happens when one person feels sort of overdue and the other person feels a bit of regret about leaving earlier; because more than any of that, they want to finish out all of their first lives together, and not be alone, nor leave the other alone, even for one more year.

People who say this to each other sometimes break up only twenty years later; and that is statistically more common than the breakup of couples who just semipromised they'd be together for the rest of their first lives, and then think things over when they actually got to the Future.  For this to happen to you is one of the more social-epistemic-reputation-affecting errors you can make in the realm of relationships, predicting a relationship will last twenty thousand years when it doesn't last twenty.

No far prediction market has ever put more than a 70% chance on a promise like this, a promise upon the Future, holding up; and that's as of when the two go into cryosuspension together still unbroken.  Usually you'd want more like 85% out of a prediction market saying you wouldn't regret it before you had a kid, or started talking socially about your two-decade monogamy compact like it was going to be a real thing and not just a fond aspiration.

People who say this is what they mean to do, and whose dignity calls on them to accept questions and objections, are typically asked if they've considered that maybe the Future could run vastly superior matching algorithms on available mates, and have qualitatively different and better potential mates who'd still be interested in an Ancient.

It's an obvious thought, isn't it?  And yet even so, some dath ilani look at each other and smile and say they've got it good enough, and would rather hold none of themselves back from the promise that they make to each other.  They don't need to worry about what future opportunities they might be passing up, or whether their lives would be objectively better if they made a different decision, or if it's really honest to make somebody else a promise like that when the statistics and prediction markets say what they do.  Because they just don't need to let that sway them, that's why not.

A majority of Civilization mostly thinks those people seem crazy from a standpoint of expected utility maximization, but, at the same time, has a lot of respect for that.  The kind of respect you give to somebody when you wonder, deep down, if maybe they're doing it right, and you're the ones doing it wrong.

The gist of what Keltham is currently trying to convey:

Dath ilan has a notion of two people promising-not-swearing to each other to be together even in the Future, when they come back.

This is literally as far as a relationship can possibly escalate.

It is well past having multiple children together and raising them to maturity.

It is well past staying together for a few decades after that.

It is well past synchronizing your cryosuspension arrangements so that it happens when one person feels sort of overdue and the other person feels a bit of regret about leaving earlier; because more than any of that, they want to finish out all of their first lives together, and not be alone, nor leave the other alone, even for one more year.

People who say this to each other sometimes break up only twenty years later; and that is statistically more common than the breakup of couples who just semipromised they'd be together for the rest of their first lives, with intent to think things over together when they actually got to the Future.  For this to happen to you is one of the more social-epistemic-reputation-affecting errors you can make in the realm of relationships, predicting a relationship will last twenty thousand years when it doesn't last twenty.

No far prediction market has ever put more than a 70% chance on a promise like this, a promise upon the Future, holding up; and that's as of when the two go into cryosuspension together still unbroken.  Usually you'd want more like 85% out of a prediction market saying you wouldn't regret it before you had a kid, or started talking socially about your two-decade monogamy compact like it was going to be a real thing and not just a fond aspiration.

People who say this is what they mean to do, and whose dignity calls on them to accept questions and objections, are typically asked if they've considered that maybe the Future could run vastly superior matching algorithms on available mates, and have qualitatively different and better potential mates who'd still be interested in an Ancient.

It's an obvious thought, isn't it?  And yet even so, some dath ilani look at each other and smile and say they've got it good enough, and would rather hold none of themselves back from the promise that they make to each other.  They don't need to worry about what future opportunities they might be passing up, or whether their lives would be objectively better if they made a different decision, or if it's really honest to make somebody else a promise like that when the statistics and prediction markets say what they do.  Because they just don't need to let that sway them, that's why not.

A majority of Civilization mostly thinks those people seem crazy from a standpoint of expected utility maximization, but, at the same time, has a lot of respect for that.  The kind of respect you give to somebody when you wonder, deep down, if maybe they're doing it right, and you're the ones doing it wrong.

The gist of what Keltham is currently trying to convey:

Dath ilan has a notion of two people promising-not-swearing to each other to be together even in the Future, when they come back.

This is literally as far as a relationship can possibly escalate.

It is well past having multiple children together and raising them to maturity.

It is well past staying together for a few decades after that.

It is well past synchronizing your cryosuspension arrangements so that it happens when one person feels sort of overdue and the other person feels a bit of regret about leaving earlier; because more than any of that, they want to finish out all of their first lives together, and not be alone, nor leave the other alone, even for one more year.

People who say this to each other sometimes break up only twenty years later; and that is statistically more common than the breakup of couples who just semipromised they'd be together for the rest of their first lives, with intent to think things over together when they actually got to the Future.  For this to happen to you is one of the more social-epistemic-reputation-affecting errors you can make in the realm of relationships, predicting a relationship will last twenty thousand years when it doesn't last twenty.

No far prediction market has ever put more than a 70% chance on a promise like this, a promise upon the Future, holding up; and that's as of when the two go into cryosuspension together still unbroken.  Usually before you had a kid, you'd want more like 85% out of a prediction market saying you wouldn't rate that as the wrong decision retrospectively; likewise before you started talking socially about your two-decade monogamy compact like it was going to be a real thing and not just a fond aspiration.

People who say this is what they mean to do, and whose dignity calls on them to accept questions and objections, are typically asked if they've considered that maybe the Future could run vastly superior matching algorithms on available mates, and have qualitatively different and better potential mates who'd still be interested in an Ancient.

It's an obvious thought, isn't it?  And yet even so, some dath ilani look at each other and smile and say they've got it good enough, and would rather hold none of themselves back from the promise that they make to each other.  They don't need to worry about what future opportunities they might be passing up, or whether their lives would be objectively better if they made a different decision, or if it's really honest to make somebody else a promise like that when the statistics and prediction markets say what they do.  Because they just don't need to let that sway them, that's why not.

A majority of Civilization mostly thinks those people seem crazy from a standpoint of expected utility maximization, but, at the same time, has a lot of respect for that.  The kind of respect you give to somebody when you wonder, deep down, if maybe they're doing it right, and you're the ones doing it wrong.

The gist of what Keltham is currently trying to convey:

Dath ilan has a notion of two people promising-not-swearing to each other to be together even in the Future, when they come back.

This is literally as far as a relationship can possibly escalate.

It is well past having multiple children together and raising them to maturity.

It is well past staying together for a few decades after that.

It is well past synchronizing your cryosuspension arrangements so that it happens when one person feels sort of overdue and the other person feels a bit of regret about leaving earlier; because more than any of that, they want to finish out all of their first lives together, and not be alone, nor leave the other alone, even for just a year.

People who say this to each other sometimes break up only twenty years later; and that is statistically more common than the breakup of couples who just semipromised they'd be together for the rest of their first lives, with intent to think things over together when they actually got to the Future.  For this to happen to you is one of the more social-epistemic-reputation-affecting errors you can make in the realm of relationships, predicting a relationship will last twenty thousand years when it doesn't last twenty.

No far prediction market has ever put more than a 70% chance on a promise like this, a promise upon the Future, holding up; and that's as of when the two go into cryosuspension together still unbroken.  Usually before you had a kid, you'd want more like 85% out of a prediction market saying you wouldn't rate that as the wrong decision retrospectively; likewise before you started talking socially about your two-decade monogamy compact like it was going to be a real thing and not just a fond aspiration.

People who say this is what they mean to do, and whose dignity calls on them to accept questions and objections, are typically asked if they've considered that maybe the Future could run vastly superior matching algorithms on available mates, and have qualitatively different and better potential mates who'd still be interested in an Ancient.

It's an obvious thought, isn't it?  And yet even so, some dath ilani look at each other and smile and say they've got it good enough, and would rather hold none of themselves back from the promise that they make to each other.  They don't need to worry about what future opportunities they might be passing up, or whether their lives would be objectively better if they made a different decision, or if it's really honest to make somebody else a promise like that when the statistics and prediction markets say what they do.  Because they just don't need to let that sway them, that's why not.

A majority of Civilization mostly thinks those people seem crazy from a standpoint of expected utility maximization, but, at the same time, has a lot of respect for that.  The kind of respect you give to somebody when you wonder, deep down, if maybe they're doing it right, and you're the ones doing it wrong.

The gist of what Keltham is currently trying to convey:

Dath ilan has a notion of two people promising-not-swearing to each other to be together even in the Future, when they come back.

This is literally as far as a relationship can possibly escalate.

It is well past having multiple children together and raising them to maturity.

It is well past staying together for a few decades after that.

It is moderately past synchronizing your cryosuspension arrangements so that it happens when one person feels sort of overdue and the other person feels a bit of regret about leaving earlier; because more than any of that, they want to finish out all of their first lives together, and not be alone, nor leave the other alone, even for just a year.

People who say this to each other sometimes break up only twenty years later; and that is statistically more common than the breakup of couples who just semipromised they'd be together for the rest of their first lives, with intent to think things over together when they actually got to the Future.  For this to happen to you is one of the more social-epistemic-reputation-affecting errors you can make in the realm of relationships, predicting a relationship will last twenty thousand years when it doesn't last twenty.

No far prediction market has ever put more than a 70% chance on a promise like this, a promise upon the Future, holding up; and that's as of when the two go into cryosuspension together still unbroken.  Usually before you had a kid, you'd want more like 85% out of a prediction market saying you wouldn't rate that as the wrong decision retrospectively; likewise before you started talking socially about your two-decade monogamy compact like it was going to be a real thing and not just a fond aspiration.

People who say this is what they mean to do, and whose dignity calls on them to accept questions and objections, are typically asked if they've considered that maybe the Future could run vastly superior matching algorithms on available mates, and have qualitatively different and better potential mates who'd still be interested in an Ancient.

It's an obvious thought, isn't it?  And yet even so, some dath ilani look at each other and smile and say they've got it good enough, and would rather hold none of themselves back from the promise that they make to each other.  They don't need to worry about what future opportunities they might be passing up, or whether their lives would be objectively better if they made a different decision, or if it's really honest to make somebody else a promise like that when the statistics and prediction markets say what they do.  Because they just don't need to let that sway them, that's why not.

A majority of Civilization mostly thinks those people seem crazy from a standpoint of expected utility maximization, but, at the same time, has a lot of respect for that.  The kind of respect you give to somebody when you wonder, deep down, if maybe they're doing it right, and you're the ones doing it wrong.