"I apologize for not being able to simply join states of belief with you, but yes, the problem is that I don't just need an answer that's actually good, I need an answer I know is good.  Two isomorphic strategic problems from my perspective, but very different strategic problems from yours."

"I - think Carissa has some equivalent of what a dath ilani would call 'dignity', which translates via Share Language to Taldane dignity but I suspect is really not the same thing at all.  Carissa's dignity is that she is impossible to truly hurt, even by running a sword through her and then refusing to Raise her, which is what makes it safe for the man to whom she's completely given herself to do anything he wants with her, and not be afraid."

"And if we were all in dath ilan, she could tell me that was true, and I would maybe check it with a Keeper first, but then the fact that Carissa thought that was true about herself would be very reliable evidence, because dath ilani know how to see within themselves if that sort of thing is actually true."

"The fact that I got trained in that explicitly, and warned about a lot of pitfalls, suggests that, if that training actually did anything, Chelish people should actually be much worse at distinguishing - what should be true about themselves, what they want to be true about themselves, from what actually is true about themselves."

"I'm worried that Carissa is just answering me from within her model of what Carissa should be and that model is not rigorously separated and distinguished from what Carissa is.  Which seems like the really obvious mistake that, say, I would make, if you took all the dath ilani training out of somebody otherwise with my exact heritage."

"If I try to discuss this with my Carissamodel, my Carissamodel says back that Chelish dignity also says that it's her place to safeguard her own safety and not rely on anybody else to protect her when she's giving herself away, that it would be undignified for her to be relying on me to think about her safety.  I don't then feel happy and reassured when my Carissamodel says this back to me, and I don't know where to go from there."

"I apologize for not being able to simply join states of belief with you, but yes, the problem is that I don't just need an answer that's actually good, I need an answer I know is good.  Two isomorphic problems from my perspective, but very different problems from yours."

"I - think Carissa has some equivalent of what a dath ilani would call 'dignity', which translates via Share Language to Taldane dignity but I suspect is really not the same thing at all.  Carissa's dignity is that she is impossible to truly hurt, even by running a sword through her and then refusing to Raise her, which is what makes it safe for the man to whom she's completely given herself to do anything he wants with her, and not be afraid."

"And if we were all in dath ilan, she could tell me that was true, and I would maybe check it with a Keeper first, but then the fact that Carissa thought that was true about herself would be very reliable evidence, because dath ilani know how to see within themselves if that sort of thing is actually true."

"The fact that I got trained in that explicitly, and warned about a lot of pitfalls, suggests that, if that training actually did anything, Chelish people should actually be much worse at distinguishing - what should be true about themselves, what they want to be true about themselves, from what actually is true about themselves."

"I'm worried that Carissa is just answering me from within her model of what Carissa should be and that model is not rigorously separated and distinguished from what Carissa is.  Which seems like the really obvious mistake that, say, I would make, if you took all the dath ilani training out of somebody otherwise with my exact heritage."

"If I try to discuss this with my Carissamodel, my Carissamodel says back that Chelish dignity also says that it's her place to safeguard her own safety and not rely on anybody else to protect her when she's giving herself away, that it would be undignified for her to be relying on me to think about her safety.  I don't then feel happy and reassured when my Carissamodel says this back to me, and I don't know where to go from there."

"I apologize for not being able to simply join states of belief with you, but yes, the problem is that I don't just need an answer that's actually good, I need an answer I know is good.  Two isomorphic problems from my perspective, but very different problems from yours."

"I - think Carissa has some equivalent of what a dath ilani would call 'dignity', which translates via Share Language to Taldane dignity but I suspect is really not the same thing at all.  Carissa's dignity is that she is impossible to truly hurt, even by running a sword through her and then refusing to Raise her, which is what makes it safe for the man to whom she's completely given herself to do anything he wants with her, and not be afraid."

"And if we were all in dath ilan, she could tell me that was true, and I would maybe check in with a Keeper first to see if they thought Carissa was in generally good epistemic health, but then the fact that Carissa thought that was true about herself would be very reliable evidence, because dath ilani know how to see within themselves if that sort of thing is actually true."

"The fact that I got trained in that explicitly, and warned about a lot of pitfalls, suggests that, if that training actually did anything, Chelish people should actually be much worse at distinguishing - what should be true about themselves, what they want to be true about themselves, from what actually is true about themselves."

"I'm worried that Carissa is just answering me from within her model of what Carissa should be and that model is not rigorously separated and distinguished from what Carissa is.  Which seems like the really obvious mistake that, say, I would make, if you took all the dath ilani training out of somebody otherwise with my exact heritage."

"If I try to discuss this with my Carissamodel, my Carissamodel says back that Chelish dignity also says that it's her place to safeguard her own safety and not rely on anybody else to protect her when she's giving herself away, that it would be undignified for her to be relying on me to think about her safety.  I don't then feel happy and reassured when my Carissamodel says this back to me, and I don't know where to go from there."

"I apologize for not being able to simply join states of belief with you, but yes, the problem is that I don't just need an answer that's actually good, I need an answer I know is good.  Two isomorphic problems from my perspective, but very different problems from yours."

"I - think Carissa has some equivalent of what a dath ilani would call 'dignity', which translates via Share Language to Taldane dignity but I suspect is really not the same thing at all.  Carissa's dignity is that she is impossible to truly hurt, even by running a sword through her and then refusing to Raise her, which is what makes it safe for the man to whom she's completely given herself to do anything he wants with her, and not be afraid."

"And if we were all in dath ilan, she could tell me that was true, and I would maybe check in with a Keeper first to see if they thought Carissa was in generally good," epistemic health, "belief-health, but then the fact that Carissa thought that was true about herself would be very reliable evidence, because dath ilani know how to see within themselves if that sort of thing is actually true."

"The fact that I got trained in that explicitly, and warned about a lot of pitfalls, suggests that, if that training actually did anything, Chelish people should actually be much worse at distinguishing - what should be true about themselves, what they want to be true about themselves, from what actually is true about themselves."

"I'm worried that Carissa is just answering me from within her model of what Carissa should be and that model is not rigorously separated and distinguished from what Carissa is.  Which seems like the really obvious mistake that, say, I would make, if you took all the dath ilani training out of somebody otherwise with my exact heritage."

"If I try to discuss this with my Carissamodel, my Carissamodel says back that Chelish dignity also says that it's her place to safeguard her own safety and not rely on anybody else to protect her when she's giving herself away, that it would be undignified for her to be relying on me to think about her safety.  I don't then feel happy and reassured when my Carissamodel says this back to me, and I don't know where to go from there."

"I apologize for not being able to simply join states of belief with you, but yes, the problem is that I don't just need an answer that's actually good, I need an answer I know is good.  Two isomorphic problems from my perspective, but very different problems from yours."

"I - think Carissa has some equivalent of what a dath ilani would call 'dignity', which translates via Share Language to Taldane dignity but I suspect is really not the same thing at all.  Carissa's 'dignity' is that she is impossible to truly hurt, even by running a sword through her and then refusing to Raise her, which is what makes it safe for the man to whom she's completely given herself to do anything he wants with her, and not be afraid."

"And if we were all in dath ilan, she could tell me that was true, and I would maybe check in with a Keeper first to see if they thought Carissa was in generally good," epistemic health, "belief-health, but then the fact that Carissa thought that was true about herself would be very reliable evidence, because dath ilani know how to see within themselves if that sort of thing is actually true."

"The fact that I got trained in that explicitly, and warned about a lot of pitfalls, suggests that, if that training actually did anything, Chelish people should actually be much worse at distinguishing - what should be true about themselves, what they want to be true about themselves, from what actually is true about themselves."

"I'm worried that Carissa is just answering me from within her model of what Carissa should be and that model is not rigorously separated and distinguished from what Carissa is.  Which seems like the really obvious mistake that, say, I would make, if you took all the dath ilani training out of somebody otherwise with my exact heritage."

"If I try to discuss this with my Carissamodel, my Carissamodel says back that Chelish dignity also says that it's her place to safeguard her own safety and not rely on anybody else to protect her when she's giving herself away, that it would be undignified for her to be relying on me to think about her safety.  I don't then feel happy and reassured when my Carissamodel says this back to me, and I don't know where to go from there."