To make sure everybody starts out on the same page, Keltham will quickly summarize earlier conversations for the benefit of any harem members who might not have been in hearing range for it.  He still isn't distinguishing them all that well and didn't actually count them, if somebody was in the washroom or something.  He definitely knows Carissa was absent for some of it.

Things Keltham summarizes:

- Keltham is not sure how important it actually is to understand where everything you know is situated within the order of larger reality, but dath ilan sure does situate all of it, and maybe that's important, he doesn't know.  Hopefully he doesn't have to burn more than a couple of hours here and there on situating things.
- Most adult dath ilani are running around thinking that they know the universe's age to within 1% and all the names and qualities of tiny parts that haven't been reduced to other parts.  The very smart people of dath ilan (actually the prediction markets but he'll explain that in more detail later) have predicted how this will make people weak and unable to handle mental adversity, which is why the adults play a lot of confusing pranks on children, in case they someday end up in Golarion or something.  Like, they weren't literally anticipating this exact event, or they'd have gone a lot harder on his pranks.  But it sure is why Keltham is hitting the ground running instead of curling up in a ball whining about structural uncertainty.
- And similarly:  Even ordinary life means sometimes facing questions you don't know how to answer.  Doing basic research means facing questions whose answers are very unlike all the questions and answers you've studied before.  Keltham regrets to inform Cheliax that only asking kids questions they already know how to answer, seems like it would obviously leave them weak and unprepared for real intellectual challenges.  He's pretty sure this is true of people at their own intelligence level, less sure about people with average or below-average intelligence for Golarion.
- Keltham does apologize for presenting his students with confusing questions, when they weren't used to that, had no idea why he was doing that, and also didn't have any meta-idea of why he'd be doing stuff they didn't understand.
- Keltham will try to remember to check in verbally about how people are doing, since Chelish pride permits verbal answers about that but seems to prohibit overt visual displays of confusion.  If Keltham seems to be forgetting to do this, he hopes somebody will remind him in words even if Cheliax considers that slightly undignified.  As an older kid teaching younger kids, he expected the younger kids to give much more overt signals of how well he was doing as a teacher.
- Dath ilan doesn't have magical healing and they sure don't have resurrections.  Hence, despite all their intellectual toughening procedures, they don't have any equivalent of, like, teaching kids how to walk on broken legs so that they can mentally divorce physical pain from long-term damage.  If Cheliax trains its kids to be strong in that particular way, Keltham has not gone through this training yet, and this is probably not the right time either.
- Correspondingly, if inflicting physical pain is considered an important element in Cheliax of training subconscious intuitions, Keltham has no idea how to do that professionally, and hopes they'll excuse him from it.  Keltham separately may end up making a case that rewards often work better than punishments, because you can scale rewards directly to performance instead of a problematic notion of 'are people doing their best', plus the brain learns from forgone rewards similarly in many ways to punishment; but he'd have to understand this entire system better, before he started feeling confident about critiquing that element specifically.
- It does seem specifically worrisome to Keltham that in a punishment-based system you'd have to worry about people taking safer, less challenging lessons and trying not to give outward signs that their potential was high enough to do better, if their subconscious was learning to avoid pain inflicted for doing less than their best.  Maybe he's totally off-base in worrying about that and Cheliax has already solved it somehow.  But the reason Keltham is bringing that up immediately, is to emphasize that he is going to continue throwing confusing questions at them and this is not meant to be a threatening overly difficult problem whose painful failures they need to avoid, it's meant to be an overly difficult problem they can safely hang out around and safely fail on without that hurting.
- It'd be particularly dumb if Keltham started throwing more difficult problems at them, they got hurt more for failing or just got scared of failing, and some deep part of their brain learned the lesson that facing actual confusing cognitive problems is scarier and more painful than facing easy fake cognitive problems.  That is why Keltham now emphasizes the point that, whatever problems they were trying to solve in their education before this, object-level failure will be punished less; because this is new to them, and their best is worse than it was on easier problems; also because Keltham doesn't know how to teach that way at all; and, above all, success on these new harder problems is more valuable and come equity negotiations he will ensure that it is accordingly better paid.

To make sure everybody starts out on the same page, Keltham will quickly summarize earlier conversations for the benefit of any harem members who might not have been in hearing range for it.  He still isn't distinguishing them all that well and didn't actually count them, if somebody was in the washroom or something.  He definitely knows Carissa was absent for some of it.

Things Keltham summarizes:

- Keltham is not sure how important it actually is to understand where everything you know is situated within the order of larger reality, but dath ilan sure does situate all of it, and maybe that's important, he doesn't know.  Hopefully he doesn't have to burn more than a couple of hours here and there on situating things.
- Most adult dath ilani are running around thinking that they know the universe's age to within 1% and all the names and qualities of tiny parts that haven't been reduced to other parts.  The very smart people of dath ilan (actually the prediction markets but he'll explain that in more detail later) have predicted how this will make people weak and unable to handle mental adversity, which is why the adults play a lot of confusing pranks on children, in case they someday end up in Golarion or something.  Like, they weren't literally anticipating this exact event, or they'd have gone a lot harder on his pranks.  But it sure is why Keltham is hitting the ground running instead of curling up in a ball whining about structural uncertainty.
- And similarly:  Even ordinary life means sometimes facing questions you don't know how to answer.  Doing basic research means facing questions whose answers are very unlike all the questions and answers you've studied before.  Keltham regrets to inform Cheliax that only asking kids questions they already know how to answer, seems like it would obviously leave them weak and unprepared for real intellectual challenges.  He's pretty sure this is true of people at their own intelligence level, less sure about people with average or below-average intelligence for Golarion.
- Keltham does apologize for presenting his students with confusing questions, when they weren't used to that, had no idea why he was doing that, and also didn't have any meta-idea of why he'd be doing stuff they didn't understand.
- Keltham will try to remember to check in verbally about how people are doing, since Chelish pride permits verbal answers about that but seems to prohibit overt visual displays of confusion.  If Keltham seems to be forgetting to do this, he hopes somebody will remind him in words even if Cheliax considers that slightly undignified.  As an older kid teaching younger kids, he expected the younger kids to give much more overt signals of how well he was doing as a teacher.
- Dath ilan doesn't have magical healing and they sure don't have resurrections.  Hence, despite all their intellectual toughening procedures, they don't have any equivalent of, like, teaching kids how to walk on broken legs so that they can mentally divorce physical pain from long-term damage.  If Cheliax trains its kids to be strong in that particular way, Keltham has not gone through this training yet, and this is probably not the right time either.
- Correspondingly, if inflicting physical pain is considered an important element in Cheliax of training subconscious intuitions, Keltham has no idea how to do that professionally, and hopes they'll excuse him from it.  Keltham separately may end up making a case that rewards often work better than punishments, because you can scale rewards directly to performance instead of a problematic notion of 'are people doing their best', plus the brain learns from forgone rewards similarly in many ways to punishment; but he'd have to understand this entire system better, before he started feeling confident about critiquing that element specifically.
- It does seem specifically worrisome to Keltham that in a punishment-based system you'd have to worry about people taking safer, less challenging lessons and trying not to give outward signs that their potential was high enough to do better, if their subconscious was learning to avoid pain inflicted for doing less than their best.  Maybe he's totally off-base in worrying about that and Cheliax has already solved it somehow.  But the reason Keltham is bringing that up immediately, is to emphasize that he is going to continue throwing confusing questions at them and this is not meant to be a threatening overly difficult problem whose painful failures they need to avoid, it's meant to be an overly difficult problem they can safely hang out around and safely fail on without that hurting.
- It'd be particularly dumb if Keltham started throwing more difficult problems at them, they got hurt more for failing or just got scared of failing, and some deep part of their brain learned the lesson that facing actual confusing cognitive problems is scarier and more painful than facing easy fake cognitive problems.  That is why Keltham now emphasizes the point that, whatever problems they were trying to solve in their education before this, object-level failure will be punished less; because this is new to them, and their best is worse than it was on easier problems; also because Keltham doesn't know how to teach that way at all; and, above all, success on these new harder problems is more valuable and during equity negotiations he will ensure that it is accordingly better paid.

To make sure everybody starts out on the same page, Keltham will quickly summarize earlier conversations for the benefit of any harem members who might not have been in hearing range for it.  He still isn't distinguishing them all that well and didn't actually count them, if somebody was in the washroom or something.  He definitely knows Carissa was absent for some of it.

Things Keltham summarizes:

- Keltham is not sure how important it actually is to understand where everything you know is situated within the order of larger reality, but dath ilan sure does situate all of it, and maybe that's important, he doesn't know.  Hopefully he doesn't have to burn more than a couple of hours here and there on situating things.
- Most adult dath ilani are running around thinking that they know the universe's age to within 1% and all the names and qualities of tiny parts that haven't been reduced to other parts.  The very smart people of dath ilan (actually the prediction markets but he'll explain that in more detail later) have predicted how this could otherwise make people weak and unable to handle mental adversity, which is why the adults play a lot of confusing pranks on children, in case they someday end up in Golarion or something.  Like, they weren't literally anticipating this exact event, or they'd have gone a lot harder on his pranks.  But it sure is why Keltham is hitting the ground running instead of curling up in a ball whining about structural uncertainty.
- And similarly:  Even ordinary life means sometimes facing questions you don't know how to answer.  Doing basic research means facing questions whose answers are very unlike all the questions and answers you've studied before.  Keltham regrets to inform Cheliax that only asking kids questions they already know how to answer, seems like it would obviously leave them weak and unprepared for real intellectual challenges.  He's pretty sure this is true of people at their own intelligence level, less sure about people with average or below-average intelligence for Golarion.
- Keltham does apologize for presenting his students with confusing questions, when they weren't used to that, had no idea why he was doing that, and also didn't have any meta-idea of why he'd be doing stuff they didn't understand.
- Keltham will try to remember to check in verbally about how people are doing, since Chelish pride permits verbal answers about that but seems to prohibit overt visual displays of confusion.  If Keltham seems to be forgetting to do this, he hopes somebody will remind him in words even if Cheliax considers that slightly undignified.  As an older kid teaching younger kids, he expected the younger kids to give much more overt signals of how well he was doing as a teacher.
- Dath ilan doesn't have magical healing and they sure don't have resurrections.  Hence, despite all their intellectual toughening procedures, they don't have any equivalent of, like, teaching kids how to walk on broken legs so that they can mentally divorce physical pain from long-term damage.  If Cheliax trains its kids to be strong in that particular way, Keltham has not gone through this training yet, and this is probably not the right time either.
- Correspondingly, if inflicting physical pain is considered an important element in Cheliax of training subconscious intuitions, Keltham has no idea how to do that professionally, and hopes they'll excuse him from it.  Keltham separately may end up making a case that rewards often work better than punishments, because you can scale rewards directly to performance instead of a problematic notion of 'are people doing their best', plus the brain learns from forgone rewards similarly in many ways to punishment; but he'd have to understand this entire system better, before he started feeling confident about critiquing that element specifically.
- It does seem specifically worrisome to Keltham that in a punishment-based system you'd have to worry about people taking safer, less challenging lessons and trying not to give outward signs that their potential was high enough to do better, if their subconscious was learning to avoid pain inflicted for doing less than their best.  Maybe he's totally off-base in worrying about that and Cheliax has already solved it somehow.  But the reason Keltham is bringing that up immediately, is to emphasize that he is going to continue throwing confusing questions at them and this is not meant to be a threatening overly difficult problem whose painful failures they need to avoid, it's meant to be an overly difficult problem they can safely hang out around and safely fail on without that hurting.
- It'd be particularly dumb if Keltham started throwing more difficult problems at them, they got hurt more for failing or just got scared of failing, and some deep part of their brain learned the lesson that facing actual confusing cognitive problems is scarier and more painful than facing easy fake cognitive problems.  That is why Keltham now emphasizes the point that, whatever problems they were trying to solve in their education before this, object-level failure will be punished less; because this is new to them, and their best is worse than it was on easier problems; also because Keltham doesn't know how to teach that way at all; and, above all, success on these new harder problems is more valuable and during equity negotiations he will ensure that it is accordingly better paid.

To make sure everybody starts out on the same page, Keltham will quickly summarize earlier conversations for the benefit of any harem members who might not have been in hearing range for it.  He still isn't distinguishing them all that well and didn't actually count them, if somebody was in the washroom or something.  He definitely knows Carissa was absent for some of it.

Things Keltham summarizes:

- Keltham is not sure how important it actually is to understand where everything you know is situated within the order of larger reality, but dath ilan sure does situate all of it, and maybe that's important, he doesn't know.  Hopefully he doesn't have to burn more than a couple of hours here and there on situating things.
- Most adult dath ilani are running around thinking that they know the universe's age to within 0.1% and all the names and qualities of its tiny parts that haven't been reduced to even tinier parts.  The very smart people of dath ilan (actually the prediction markets but he'll explain that in more detail later) have predicted how this could otherwise make people weak and unable to handle mental adversity, which is why the adults play a lot of confusing pranks on children, in case they someday end up in Golarion or something.  Like, they weren't literally anticipating this exact event, or they'd have gone a lot harder on his pranks.  But it sure is why Keltham is hitting the ground running instead of curling up in a ball whining about structural uncertainty.
- And similarly:  Even ordinary life means sometimes facing questions you don't know how to answer.  Doing basic research means facing questions whose answers are very unlike all the questions and answers you've studied before.  Keltham regrets to inform Cheliax that only asking kids questions they already know how to answer, seems like it would obviously leave them weak and unprepared for real intellectual challenges.  He's pretty sure this is true of people at their own intelligence level, less sure about people with average or below-average intelligence for Golarion.
- Keltham does apologize for presenting his students with confusing questions, when they weren't used to that, had no idea why he was doing that, and also didn't have any meta-idea of why he'd be doing stuff they didn't understand.
- Keltham will try to remember to check in verbally about how people are doing, since Chelish pride permits verbal answers about that but seems to prohibit overt visual displays of confusion.  If Keltham seems to be forgetting to do this, he hopes somebody will remind him in words even if Cheliax considers that slightly undignified.  As an older kid teaching younger kids, he expected the younger kids to give much more overt signals of how well he was doing as a teacher.
- Dath ilan doesn't have magical healing and they sure don't have resurrections.  Hence, despite all their intellectual toughening procedures, they don't have any equivalent of, like, teaching kids how to walk on broken legs so that they can mentally divorce physical pain from long-term damage.  If Cheliax trains its kids to be strong in that particular way, Keltham has not gone through this training yet, and this is probably not the right time either.
- Correspondingly, if inflicting physical pain is considered an important element in Cheliax of training subconscious intuitions, Keltham has no idea how to do that professionally, and hopes they'll excuse him from it.  Keltham separately may end up making a case that rewards often work better than punishments, because you can scale rewards directly to performance instead of a problematic notion of 'are people doing their best', plus the brain learns from forgone rewards similarly in many ways to punishment; but he'd have to understand this entire system better, before he started feeling confident about critiquing that element specifically.
- It does seem specifically worrisome to Keltham that in a punishment-based system you'd have to worry about people taking safer, less challenging lessons and trying not to give outward signs that their potential was high enough to do better, if their subconscious was learning to avoid pain inflicted for doing less than their best.  Maybe he's totally off-base in worrying about that and Cheliax has already solved it somehow.  But the reason Keltham is bringing that up immediately, is to emphasize that he is going to continue throwing confusing questions at them and this is not meant to be a threatening overly difficult problem whose painful failures they need to avoid, it's meant to be an overly difficult problem they can safely hang out around and safely fail on without that hurting.
- It'd be particularly dumb if Keltham started throwing more difficult problems at them, they got hurt more for failing or just got scared of failing, and some deep part of their brain learned the lesson that facing actual confusing cognitive problems is scarier and more painful than facing easy fake cognitive problems.  That is why Keltham now emphasizes the point that, whatever problems they were trying to solve in their education before this, object-level failure will be punished less; because this is new to them, and their best is worse than it was on easier problems; also because Keltham doesn't know how to teach that way at all; and, above all, success on these new harder problems is more valuable and during equity negotiations he will ensure that it is accordingly better paid.