"Okay, yeah, that's been puzzling me for a while, the books referred to it too, like there was this one book supposedly by a magic instructor who spends the first chapter telling you about what a great magic instructor he is, where he mentions punishing students at the end of the day so it won't interrupt their learning.  If that was literally true and not a weird collection of lies, I'm so confused about this for multiple reasons that I don't even know where to start asking.  If I'm like, hey, give me your shoes for twenty silver pieces, and you value your shoes less than that, it makes sense to give me your shoes.  If instead I'm like, hey, give me your shoes or I'll put you in an armlock and break your arm, and you actually do that because the value of the shoes is less to you than the value of the unbroken arm, then the fact that you reacted that way is the reason why I made the threat in the first place, right?  I mean, assuming I'm the sort of ideal entity who doesn't have any altruism or any inherent desire to behave in a coordinated way with others, if I can go around collecting everyone's shoes by threatening to break their arms, why wouldn't I just go collect all their shoes?  So in the," they don't have the word 'counterfactual', lovely, "unreal branch of reality where I threaten to break your arm, you fight and punch me in the face and don't give me your shoes, and since I know that's how it will go, I don't actually threaten to break your arm, and the branch of reality stays unreal.  I can guess that you aren't trained in ways of thinking about real and unreal branches of reality and playing complex strategies over them, but I would have thought it would be something more like a human instinct to punch somebody in the face if they threaten to break your arm if you don't give them your shoes.  I mean, we get lectures about how we have instincts like that and we need to carefully refine them so they actually lead to optimal real-world outcomes.  And then here it sounds like - there is a whole lot more of people punching each other in reality - and then you've got students supposedly paying somebody to punch them in the face and that I just do not get at all."

"Okay, yeah, that's been puzzling me for a while, the books referred to it too, like there was this one book supposedly by a magic instructor who spends the first chapter telling you about what a great magic instructor he is, where he mentions punishing students at the end of the day so it won't interrupt their learning.  If that was literally true and not a weird collection of lies, I'm so confused about this for multiple reasons that I don't even know where to start asking.  If I'm like, hey, give me your shoes for twenty silver pieces, and you value your shoes less than that, it makes sense to give me your shoes.  If instead I'm like, hey, give me your shoes or I'll put you in an armlock and break your arm, and you actually do that because the value of the shoes is less to you than the value of the unbroken arm, then the fact that you reacted that way is the reason why I made the threat in the first place, right?  I mean, assuming I'm the sort of ideal entity who doesn't have any altruism or any inherent desire to behave in a coordinated way with others, if I can go around collecting everyone's shoes by threatening to break their arms, why wouldn't I just go collect all their shoes?  So in the," they don't have the word 'counterfactual', lovely, "unreal branch of reality where I threaten to break your arm, you fight and punch me in the face and don't give me your shoes, even though it costs you a broken arm; and since I know that's how it will go, I don't actually threaten to break your arm, and the branch of reality stays unreal."

"I mean, I can guess that you aren't trained in ways of thinking about real and unreal branches of reality and playing complex strategies over them.  But I would have thought it would be more like human instinct, to punch somebody in the face if they threaten to break your arm if you don't give them your shoes.  I mean, we get lectures about how we have instincts like that and we need to carefully refine them so they actually lead to optimal real-world outcomes.  And then here it sounds like - there is a whole lot more of people punching each other in reality - and then you've got students supposedly paying somebody to punch them in the face and that I just do not get at all."

"Okay, yeah, that's been puzzling me for a while, the books referred to it too, like there was this one book supposedly by a magic instructor who spends the first chapter telling you about what a great magic instructor he is, where he mentions punishing students at the end of the day so it won't interrupt their learning.  If that was literally true and not a weird collection of lies, I'm so confused about this for multiple reasons that I don't even know where to start asking.  If I'm like, hey, give me your shoes for twenty silver pieces, and you value your shoes less than that, it makes sense to give me your shoes.  If instead I'm like, hey, give me your shoes or I'll put you in an armlock and break your arm, and you actually do that because the value of the shoes is less to you than the value of the unbroken arm, then the fact that you reacted that way is the reason why I made the threat in the first place, right?  I mean, assuming I'm the sort of ideal entity who doesn't have any altruism or any inherent desire to behave in a coordinated way with others, if I can go around collecting everyone's shoes by threatening to break their arms, why wouldn't I just go collect all their shoes?  So in the," they don't have the word 'counterfactual', lovely, "unreal branch of reality where I threaten to break your arm, you fight and punch me in the face and don't give me your shoes, even though it costs you a broken arm; and since I know that's how it will go, I don't actually threaten to break your arm, and the branch of reality stays unreal."

"I mean, I can guess that you aren't trained in ways of thinking about real and unreal branches of reality and playing complex strategies over them.  But I would have thought it would be more like human instinct, to punch somebody in the face if they threaten to break your arm if you don't give them your shoes.  I mean, we get training that's about how we have instincts like that and we need to carefully refine them so they actually lead to optimal real-world outcomes.  And then here it sounds like - there is a whole lot more of people punching each other in reality - and then you've got students supposedly paying somebody to punch them in the face and that I just do not get at all."