"Validity, Probability, Utility. Things being more or less likely, encountering new evidence and revising old beliefs, deriving the consequences of what we already know, wanting things, making plans. It's not so much that humans have bits and pieces of the Laws glommed onto them, as that the shadow of those Laws in us is, in certain ways, why we function at all - why we can do even the little that we can do. One of my pending questions about Golarion is whether Chaotic gods are still, like, mostly Lawful on a deep level and are just pursuing surface goals that are about humans behaving chaotically in social situations, or something like that, because otherwise I have a hard time imagining what it means to be a god, or intelligent, if your nature is contradictory to all Law. The partial coherence that exists in the noisy bits of Law embedded in us, creating somewhat larger shadows of bigger pieces of Law, is what lets us forms complete thoughts that make enough sense for us to ever figure out anything - that we can put together the human versions of 'or' and 'implies' and make larger thoughts out of that. If Chaotic gods don't have that much Law embedded inside them, if they reject ever bit and shard of Validity because it's Lawful and therefore never think 'I think either Z or H will happen', I can't begin to imagine how a Chaotic god would work, which is one of the reasons why I wonder whether the concept 'Lawful' is translating correctly after all."
"But that's me being confused about this world, which is not our present priority."
"Our present priority is the industrialization of Golarion."
"And the reason I say all of this - is that our path will be relatively simpler, easier, more direct - though still not easy - if a lot of the particular hidden orders I remember about dath ilani steel and dath ilani biology are also true here, albeit with some new hidden orders about magic that were not in dath ilan."
"But if that isn't true, and snowflakes have six sides here for other reasons, and my body was remade anew in Golarion so that I could eat the food?"
"Then the valuable knowledge I have to teach you will be the knowledge of how to discover hidden orders. And this knowledge in dath ilan is said to be attained by using and operating versions of the Law that are purer, cleaner, more complete, than humans just throwing themselves at a problem with their own instincts. The explicit math is mostly reified Probability, but the internal mental challenges are probably those of being a little more Valid in which conclusions we jump to and which assumptions we mark as necessary."
"I am a lot more confident that Validity, Probability, and Utility are still singled-out mathematical structures that hold power in Golarion, than I am confident that I already know why snowflakes have six sides. And I wanted to make that clear before I said too much about the hidden order of reality in dath ilan - that even if the things I am saying are entirely wrong about Golarion, that kind of specific knowledge is not the real strength of dath ilan or the most important thing that I have to teach you. I have gone into this little digression about Validity and timelessness and optimality, in order to give you some specific reason to hope that even if the stranger proves to have no idea how Golarion works, some of the knowledge he has to to teach is sufficiently general that you have strong reason for strong hope that it will work in Golarion too.
"My memory is not perfect, and I was never a specialist in steel. To industrialize Golarion, what we must primarily use is not the recipes of dath ilan and its knowledge of hidden orders, for those I do not all have with me, even if they would work here. What we need to do is operate the principles of thought and investigation, by which dath ilan found the hidden orders and recipes that worked in dath ilan; and, with those interplanar shards of Law, find the hidden orders and recipes that work in Golarion. If I can accurately remember some of the recipes and hidden orders, and they prove to carry over, I expect that will give a rather substantial boost compared to starting from scratch. But I also expect that it cannot carry the day unless we do a little, or rather a lot, of thinking of our own."
"Validity, Probability, Utility. Things being more or less likely, encountering new evidence and revising old beliefs, deriving the consequences of what we already know, wanting things, making plans. It's not so much that humans have bits and pieces of the Laws glommed onto them, as that the shadow of those Laws in us is, in certain ways, why we function at all - why we can do even the little that we can do. One of my pending questions about Golarion is whether Chaotic gods are still, like, mostly Lawful on a deep level and are just pursuing surface goals that are about humans behaving chaotically in social situations, or something like that, because otherwise I have a hard time imagining what it means to be a god, or intelligent, if your nature is contradictory to all Law. The partial coherence that exists in the noisy bits of Law embedded in us, creating somewhat larger shadows of bigger pieces of Law, is what lets us forms complete thoughts that make enough sense for us to ever figure out anything - that we can put together the human versions of 'or' and 'implies' and make larger thoughts out of that. If Chaotic gods don't have that much Law embedded inside them, if they reject every bit and shard of Validity because it's Lawful, and therefore never think 'I think either Z or H will happen', I can't begin to imagine how a Chaotic god would work. Which is one of the reasons why I wonder whether the concept 'Lawful' is translating correctly after all."
"But that's me being confused about this world, which is not our present priority."
"Our present priority is the industrialization of Golarion."
"And the reason I say all of this - is that our path will be relatively simpler, easier, more direct - though still not easy - if a lot of the particular hidden orders I remember about dath ilani steel and dath ilani biology are also true here, albeit with some new hidden orders about magic that were not in dath ilan."
"But if that isn't true? If snowflakes have six sides here for other reasons? If my body was remade anew in Golarion so that I could eat the food?"
"Then the valuable knowledge I have to teach you will be the knowledge of how to discover hidden orders. And this knowledge in dath ilan is said to be attained by using and operating versions of the Law that are purer, cleaner, more complete, than humans just throwing themselves at a problem with their own instincts. The explicit math is mostly reified Probability, but the internal mental challenges are mostly those of being a little more Valid in which conclusions we jump to and which assumptions we mark as necessary."
"I am a lot more confident that Validity, Probability, and Utility are still singled-out mathematical structures that hold power in Golarion, than I am confident that I already know why snowflakes here have sixfold symmetry. And I wanted to make that clear before I said too much about the hidden orders of reality from dath ilan - that even if the things I am saying are entirely wrong about Golarion, that kind of specific knowledge is not the most important knowledge I have to teach. I have gone into this little digression about Validity and timelessness and optimality, in order to give you some specific reason to think that - even if the stranger proves to have no idea how Golarion works - some of the knowledge he has to teach is sufficiently general that you have strong reason for strong hope that it will work in Golarion nonetheless.
"My memory is not perfect, and I was never a specialist in metal and fire. To industrialize Golarion, what we must primarily use is not the recipes of dath ilan and its knowledge of hidden orders, for those I do not all have with me, even if they would work here. What we need to do is operate the principles of thought and investigation, by which dath ilan found the hidden orders and recipes that worked in dath ilan; and, with those interplanar shards of Law, find the hidden orders and recipes that work in Golarion. If I can accurately remember some of the recipes and hidden orders, and they prove to carry over, I expect that will give a rather substantial boost compared to starting from scratch. But I also expect that it cannot carry the day unless we do a little, or rather a lot, of thinking of our own."
"Validity, Probability, Utility. Things being more or less likely, encountering new evidence and revising old beliefs, deriving the consequences of what we already know, wanting things, making plans. It's not so much that humans have bits and pieces of the Laws glommed onto them, as that the shadow of those Laws in us is, in certain ways, why we function at all - why we can do even the little that we can do. One of my pending questions about Golarion is whether Chaotic gods are still, like, mostly Lawful on a deep level and are just pursuing surface goals that are about humans behaving chaotically in social situations, or something like that, because otherwise I have a hard time imagining what it means to be a god, or intelligent, if your nature is contradictory to all Law. The partial coherence that exists in the noisy bits of Law embedded in us, creating somewhat larger shadows of bigger pieces of Law, is what lets us forms complete thoughts that make enough sense for us to ever figure out anything - that we can put together the human versions of 'or' and 'implies' and make larger thoughts out of that. If Chaotic gods don't have that much Law embedded inside them, if they reject every bit and shard of Validity because it's Lawful, and therefore never think 'I think either Z or H will happen', I can't begin to imagine how a Chaotic god would work. Which is one of the reasons why I wonder whether the concept 'Lawful' is translating correctly after all."
"But that's me being confused about this world, which is not our present priority."
"Our present priority is the industrialization of Golarion."
"And the reason I say all of this - is that our path will be relatively simpler, easier, more direct - though still not easy - if a lot of the particular hidden orders I remember about dath ilani steel and dath ilani biology are also true here, albeit with some new hidden orders about magic that were not in dath ilan."
"But if that isn't true? If snowflakes have six sides here for other reasons? If my body was remade anew in Golarion so that I could eat the food?"
"Then the valuable knowledge I have to teach you will be the knowledge of how to discover hidden orders. And this knowledge in dath ilan is said to be attained by using and operating versions of the Law that are purer, cleaner, more complete, than humans just throwing themselves at a problem with their own instincts. The explicit math is mostly reified Probability, but the internal mental challenges are mostly those of being a little more Valid in which conclusions we jump to and which assumptions we mark as necessary."
"I am a lot more confident that Validity, Probability, and Utility are still singled-out mathematical structures that hold power in Golarion, than I am confident that I already know why snowflakes here have sixfold symmetry. And I wanted to make that clear before I said too much about the hidden orders of reality from dath ilan - that even if the things I am saying are entirely wrong about Golarion, that kind of specific knowledge is not the most important knowledge I have to teach. I have gone into this little digression about Validity and timelessness and optimality, in order to give you some specific reason to think that - even if the stranger proves to have no idea how Golarion works - some of the knowledge he has to teach is sufficiently general that you have strong reason for strong hope that it will work in Golarion nonetheless.
"My memory is not perfect, and I was never a specialist in metal and fire. To industrialize Golarion, what we must primarily use is not the recipes of dath ilan and its knowledge of hidden orders, for those I do not all have with me, even if they would work here. What we need to do is operate the principles of thought and investigation, by which dath ilan found the hidden orders and recipes that worked in dath ilan; and, with those interplanar shards of Law, find the hidden orders and recipes that work in Golarion. If I can accurately remember some of the recipes and hidden orders, and they prove to carry over, I expect that will give a rather substantial boost compared to starting from scratch. But I also expect that it cannot carry the day unless we do a little, or rather a lot, of thinking of our own."
"And I must finally mention - it is said also in dath ilan that there is a final principle, less beautiful in its mathematics than the first three, but also quite important in practice; it goes by the name Coordination, and deals with agents simultaneously acting in such fashion to all get more of what they wanted than if they acted separately. Here, too, I considered myself relatively wild in this regard, compared to dath ilani standard, but that was before I came to Golarion and read about what all y'all were getting up to around here. I expect I will have something to say on Coordination too, at some point, but perhaps that part should not come first."
"Validity, Probability, Utility. Things being more or less likely, encountering new evidence and revising old beliefs, deriving the consequences of what we already know, wanting things, making plans. It's not so much that humans have bits and pieces of the Laws glommed onto us, as that the shadow of those Laws within us explains, in a certain sense, why we function at all - why we can do even the little that we can do. One of my pending questions about Golarion is whether Chaotic gods are still, like, mostly Lawful on a deep level and are just pursuing surface goals that are about humans behaving chaotically in social situations, or something like that, because otherwise I have a hard time imagining what it means to be a god, or intelligent, if your nature is contradictory to all Law. The partial coherence that exists in the noisy bits of Law embedded in us, creating somewhat larger shadows of bigger pieces of Law, is what lets us forms complete thoughts that make enough sense for us to ever figure out anything - that we can put together the human versions of 'or' and 'implies' and make larger thoughts out of that. If Chaotic gods don't have that much Law embedded inside them, if they reject every bit and shard of Validity because it's Lawful, and therefore never think 'I think either Z or H will happen', I can't begin to imagine how a Chaotic god would work. Which is one of the reasons why I wonder whether the concept 'Lawful' is translating correctly after all."
"But that's me being confused about this world, which is not our present priority."
"Our present priority is the industrialization of Golarion."
"And the reason I say all of this - is that our path will be relatively simpler, easier, more direct - though still not easy - if a lot of the particular hidden orders I remember about dath ilani steel and dath ilani biology are also true here, albeit with some new hidden orders about magic that were not in dath ilan."
"But if that isn't true? If snowflakes have six sides here for other reasons? If my body was remade anew in Golarion so that I could eat the food?"
"Then the valuable knowledge I have to teach you will be the knowledge of how to discover hidden orders. And this knowledge in dath ilan is said to be attained by using and operating versions of the Law that are purer, cleaner, more complete, than humans just throwing themselves at a problem with their own instincts. The explicit math is mostly reified Probability, but the internal mental challenges are mostly those of being a little more Valid in which conclusions we jump to and which assumptions we mark as necessary."
"I am a lot more confident that Validity, Probability, and Utility are still singled-out mathematical structures that hold power in Golarion, than I am confident that I already know why snowflakes here have sixfold symmetry. And I wanted to make that clear before I said too much about the hidden orders of reality from dath ilan - that even if the things I am saying are entirely wrong about Golarion, that kind of specific knowledge is not the most important knowledge I have to teach. I have gone into this little digression about Validity and timelessness and optimality, in order to give you some specific reason to think that - even if the stranger proves to have no idea how Golarion works - some of the knowledge he has to teach is sufficiently general that you have strong reason for strong hope that it will work in Golarion nonetheless.
"My memory is not perfect, and I was never a specialist in metal and fire. To industrialize Golarion, what we must primarily use is not the recipes of dath ilan and its knowledge of hidden orders, for those I do not all have with me, even if they would work here. What we need to do is operate the principles of thought and investigation, by which dath ilan found the hidden orders and recipes that worked in dath ilan; and, with those interplanar shards of Law, find the hidden orders and recipes that work in Golarion. If I can accurately remember some of the recipes and hidden orders, and they prove to carry over, I expect that will give a rather substantial boost compared to starting from scratch. But I also expect that it cannot carry the day unless we do a little, or rather a lot, of thinking of our own."
"And I must finally mention - it is said also in dath ilan that there is a final principle, less beautiful in its mathematics than the first three, but also quite important in practice; it goes by the name Coordination, and deals with agents simultaneously acting in such fashion to all get more of what they wanted than if they acted separately. Here, too, I considered myself relatively wild in this regard, compared to dath ilani standard, but that was before I came to Golarion and read about what all y'all were getting up to around here. I expect I will have something to say on Coordination too, at some point, but perhaps that part should not come first."
"Validity, Probability, Utility. Things being more or less likely, encountering new evidence and revising old beliefs, deriving the consequences of what we already know, wanting things, making plans. It's not so much that humans have bits and pieces of the Laws glommed onto us, as that the shadow of those Laws within us explains, in a certain sense, why we function at all - why we can do even the little that we can do. One of my pending questions about Golarion is whether Chaotic gods are still, like, mostly Lawful on a deep level and are just pursuing surface goals that are about humans behaving chaotically in social situations, or something like that, because otherwise I have a hard time imagining what it means to be a god, or intelligent, if your nature is contradictory to all Law. The partial coherence that exists in the noisy bits of Law embedded in us, creating somewhat larger shadows of bigger pieces of Law, is what lets us form larger thoughts that make enough sense for us to ever figure out anything. That all these bits and pieces of Law are bits and pieces of this larger coherent thing is part of the story behind how we can put together the human versions of 'or' and 'implies' and make larger useful thoughts out of them. If Chaotic gods don't have that much Law embedded inside them, if they reject every bit and shard of Validity because it's Lawful, and therefore never think 'I think either Z or H will happen', I can't begin to imagine how a Chaotic god would work. Which is one of the reasons why I wonder whether the concept 'Lawful' is translating correctly for me after all."
"But that's me being confused about this world, which is not our present priority."
"Our present priority is the industrialization of Golarion."
"And the reason I say all of this - is that our path will be relatively simpler, easier, more direct - though still not easy - if a lot of the particular hidden orders I remember about dath ilani steel and dath ilani biology are also true here, albeit with some new hidden orders about magic that were not in dath ilan."
"But if that isn't true? If snowflakes have six sides here for other reasons? If my body was remade anew in Golarion so that I could eat the food?"
"Then the valuable knowledge I have to teach you will be the knowledge of how to discover hidden orders. And this knowledge in dath ilan is said to be attained by using and operating versions of the Law that are purer, cleaner, more complete, than humans just throwing themselves at a problem with their own instincts. The explicit math is mostly reified Probability, but the internal mental challenges are mostly those of being a little more Valid in which conclusions we jump to and which assumptions we mark as necessary."
"I am a lot more confident that Validity, Probability, and Utility are still singled-out mathematical structures that hold power in Golarion, than I am confident that I already know why snowflakes here have sixfold symmetry. And I wanted to make that clear before I said too much about the hidden orders of reality from dath ilan - that even if the things I am saying are entirely wrong about Golarion, that kind of specific knowledge is not the most important knowledge I have to teach. I have gone into this little digression about Validity and timelessness and optimality, in order to give you some specific reason to think that - even if the stranger proves to have no idea how Golarion works - some of the knowledge he has to teach is sufficiently general that you have strong reason for strong hope that it will work in Golarion nonetheless.
"My memory is not perfect, and I was never a specialist in metal and fire. To industrialize Golarion, what we must primarily use is not the recipes of dath ilan and its knowledge of hidden orders, for those I do not all have with me, even if they would work here. What we need to do is operate the principles of thought and investigation, by which dath ilan found the hidden orders and recipes that worked in dath ilan; and, with those interplanar shards of Law, find the hidden orders and recipes that work in Golarion. If I can accurately remember some of the recipes and hidden orders, and they prove to carry over, I expect that will give a rather substantial boost compared to starting from scratch. But I also expect that it cannot carry the day unless we do a little, or rather a lot, of thinking of our own."
"And I must finally mention - it is said also in dath ilan that there is a final principle, less beautiful in its mathematics than the first three, but also quite important in practice; it goes by the name Coordination, and deals with agents simultaneously acting in such fashion to all get more of what they wanted than if they acted separately. Here, too, I considered myself relatively wild in this regard, compared to dath ilani standard, but that was before I came to Golarion and read about what all y'all were getting up to around here. I expect I will have something to say on Coordination too, at some point, but perhaps that part should not come first."
"Validity, Probability, Utility. Things being more or less likely, encountering new evidence and revising old beliefs, deriving the consequences of what we already know, wanting things, making plans. It's not so much that humans have bits and pieces of the Laws glommed onto us, as that the shadow of those Laws within us explains, in a certain sense, why we function at all - why we can do even the little that we can do. One of my pending questions about Golarion is whether Chaotic gods are still, like, mostly Lawful on a deep level and are just pursuing surface goals that are about humans behaving chaotically in social situations, or something like that, because otherwise I have a hard time imagining what it means to be a god, or intelligent, if your nature is contradictory to all Law. The partial coherence that exists in the noisy bits of Law embedded in us, creating somewhat larger shadows of bigger pieces of Law, is what lets us form larger thoughts that make enough sense for us to ever figure out anything. That all these bits and pieces of Law are bits and pieces of this larger coherent thing is part of the story behind how we can put together the human versions of 'or' and 'implies' and make larger useful thoughts out of them. If Chaotic gods don't have that much Law embedded inside them, if they reject every bit and shard of Validity because it's Lawful, and therefore never think 'I think either Z or H will happen', I can't begin to imagine how a Chaotic god would work. Which is one of the reasons why I wonder whether the concept 'Lawful' is translating correctly for me after all."
"But that's me being confused about this world, which is not our present priority."
"Our present priority is the industrialization of Golarion."
"And the reason I say all of this to you, is to make a certain point about our most important tool for doing that."
"Our path will be relatively simpler, easier, more direct - though still not easy - if a lot of the particular hidden orders I remember about dath ilani steel and dath ilani biology are also true here, albeit with some new hidden orders about magic that were not in dath ilan."
"But if that isn't true? If snowflakes have six sides here for other reasons? If my body was remade anew in Golarion so that I could eat the food?"
"Then the valuable knowledge I have to teach you will be the knowledge of how to discover hidden orders. And this knowledge in dath ilan is said to be attained by using and operating shadows of Law that are purer, cleaner, more complete, than humans just throwing themselves at a problem with their own instincts. The explicit math is mostly reified Probability, but the internal mental challenges are mostly those of being a little more Valid in which conclusions we jump to and which assumptions we mark as necessary."
"I am a lot more confident that Validity, Probability, and Utility are still singled-out mathematical structures that hold power in Golarion, than I am confident that I already know why snowflakes here have sixfold symmetry. And I wanted to make that clear before I said too much about the hidden orders of reality from dath ilan - that even if the things I am saying are entirely wrong about Golarion, that kind of specific knowledge is not the most important knowledge I have to teach. I have gone into this little digression about Validity and timelessness and optimality, in order to give you some specific reason to think that - even if the stranger proves to have no idea how Golarion works - some of the knowledge he has to teach is sufficiently general that you have strong reason for strong hope that it will work in Golarion nonetheless.
"My memory is not perfect, and I was never a specialist in metal and fire. To industrialize Golarion, what we must primarily use is not the recipes of dath ilan and its knowledge of hidden orders, for those I do not all have with me, even if they would work here. What we need to do is operate the principles of thought and investigation, by which dath ilan found the hidden orders and recipes that worked in dath ilan; and, with those interplanar shards of Law, find the hidden orders and recipes that work in Golarion. If I can accurately remember some of the recipes and hidden orders, and they prove to carry over, I expect that will give a rather substantial boost compared to starting from scratch. But I also expect that it cannot carry the day unless we do a little, or rather a lot, of thinking of our own."
"And I must finally mention - it is said also in dath ilan that there is a final principle, less beautiful in its mathematics than the first three, but also quite important in practice; it goes by the name Coordination, and deals with agents simultaneously acting in such fashion to all get more of what they wanted than if they acted separately. Here, too, I considered myself relatively wild in this regard, compared to dath ilani standard, but that was before I came to Golarion and read about what all y'all were getting up to around here. I expect I will have something to say on Coordination too, at some point, but perhaps that part should not come first."
"Validity, Probability, Utility. Things being more or less likely, encountering new evidence and revising old beliefs, deriving the consequences of what we already know, wanting things, making plans. It's not so much that humans have bits and pieces of the Laws glommed onto us, as that the shadow of those Laws within us explains, in a certain sense, why we function at all - why we can do even the little that we can do. One of my pending questions about Golarion is whether Chaotic gods are still, like, mostly Lawful on a deep level and are just pursuing surface goals that are about humans behaving chaotically in social situations, or something like that, because otherwise I have a hard time imagining what it means to be a god, or intelligent, if your nature is contradictory to all Law. The partial coherence that exists in the noisy bits of Law embedded in us, creating somewhat larger shadows of bigger pieces of Law, is what lets us form larger thoughts that make enough sense for us to ever figure out anything. That all these bits and pieces of Law are bits and pieces of this larger coherent thing is part of the story behind how we can put together the human versions of 'or' and 'implies' and make larger useful thoughts out of them. If Chaotic gods don't have that much Law embedded inside them, if they reject every bit and shard of Validity because it's Lawful, and therefore never think 'I think either Z or H will happen', I can't begin to imagine how a Chaotic god would work. Which is one of the reasons why I wonder whether the concept 'Lawful' is translating correctly for me after all."
"But that's me being confused about this world, which is not our present priority."
"Our present priority is the industrialization of Golarion."
"And the reason I say all of this to you, is to make a certain point about our most important tool for doing that."
"Our path will be relatively simpler, easier, more direct - though still not easy - if a lot of the particular hidden orders I remember about dath ilani steel and dath ilani biology are also true here, albeit with some new hidden orders about magic that were not in dath ilan."
"But if that isn't true? If snowflakes have six sides here for other reasons? If my body was remade anew in Golarion so that I could eat the food?"
"Then the valuable knowledge I have to teach you will be the knowledge of how to discover hidden orders. And this knowledge in dath ilan is said to be attained by using and operating shadows of Law that are purer, cleaner, more complete, than humans just throwing themselves at a problem with their own instincts. The explicit math is mostly reified Probability, but the internal mental challenges are mostly those of being a little more Valid in which conclusions we jump to and which assumptions we mark as necessary."
"I am a lot more confident that Validity, Probability, and Utility are still singled-out mathematical structures that hold power in Golarion, than I am confident that I already know why snowflakes here have sixfold symmetry. And I wanted to make that clear before I said too much about the hidden orders of reality from dath ilan - that even if the things I am saying are entirely wrong about Golarion, that kind of specific knowledge is not the most important knowledge I have to teach. I have gone into this little digression about Validity and timelessness and optimality, in order to give you some specific reason to think that - even if the stranger proves to have no idea how Golarion works - some of the knowledge he has to teach is sufficiently general that you have strong reason for strong hope that it will work in Golarion nonetheless.
"My memory is not perfect, and I was never a specialist in metal and fire. To industrialize Golarion, what we must primarily use is not the recipes of dath ilan and its knowledge of hidden orders, for those I do not all have with me, even if they would work here. What we need to do is operate the principles of thought and investigation, by which dath ilan found the hidden orders and recipes that worked in dath ilan; and, with those interplanar shards of Law, find the hidden orders and recipes that work in Golarion. If I can accurately remember some of the recipes and hidden orders from dath ilan, and they prove to carry over here, I expect that will give a rather substantial boost compared to starting from scratch. But I also expect that it cannot carry the day unless we do a little, or rather a lot, of thinking of our own."
"And I must finally mention - it is said also in dath ilan that there is a final principle, less beautiful in its mathematics than the first three, but also quite important in practice; it goes by the name Coordination, and deals with agents simultaneously acting in such fashion to all get more of what they wanted than if they acted separately. Here, too, I considered myself relatively wild in this regard, compared to dath ilani standard, but that was before I came to Golarion and read about what all y'all were getting up to around here. I expect I will have something to say on Coordination too, at some point, but perhaps that part should not come first."
"Validity, Probability, Utility. Things being more or less likely, encountering new evidence and revising old beliefs, deriving the consequences of what we already know, wanting things, making plans. It's not so much that humans have bits and pieces of the Laws glommed onto us, as that the shadow of those Laws within us explains, in a certain sense, why we function at all - why we can do even the little that we can do. One of my pending questions about Golarion is whether Chaotic gods are still, like, mostly Lawful on a deep level and are just pursuing surface goals that are about humans behaving chaotically in social situations, or something like that, because otherwise I have a hard time imagining what it means to be a god, or intelligent, if your nature is contradictory to all Law. The partial coherence that exists in the noisy bits of Law embedded in us, creating somewhat larger shadows of bigger pieces of Law, is what lets us form larger thoughts that make enough sense for us to ever figure out anything. That all these bits and pieces of Law are bits and pieces of this larger coherent thing is part of the story behind how we can put together the human versions of 'or' and 'implies' and make larger useful thoughts out of them. If Chaotic gods don't have that much Law embedded inside them, if they reject every bit and shard of Validity because it's Lawful, and therefore never think 'I think either Z or H will happen', I can't begin to imagine how a Chaotic god would work. Which is one of the reasons why I wonder whether the concept 'Lawful' is translating correctly for me after all."
"But that's me being confused about this world, which is not our present priority."
"Our present priority is the industrialization of Golarion."
"And the reason I say all of this to you, is to make a certain point about our most important tool for doing that."
"Our path will be relatively simpler, easier, more direct - though still not easy - if a lot of the particular hidden orders I remember about dath ilani steel and dath ilani biology are also true here, albeit with some new hidden orders about magic that were not in dath ilan."
"But if that isn't true? If snowflakes have six sides here for other reasons? If my body was remade anew in Golarion so that I could eat the food?"
"Then the valuable knowledge I have to teach you will be the knowledge of how to discover hidden orders. And this knowledge in dath ilan is said to be attained by using and operating shadows of Law that are purer, cleaner, more complete, than humans just throwing themselves at a problem with their own instincts. The explicit math is mostly reified Probability, but the internal mental challenges are mostly those of being a little more Valid in which conclusions we jump to and which assumptions we mark as necessary."
"I am a lot more confident that Validity, Probability, and Utility are still singled-out mathematical structures that hold power in Golarion, than I am confident that I already know why snowflakes here have sixfold symmetry. And I wanted to make that clear before I said too much about the hidden orders of reality from dath ilan - that even if the things I am saying are entirely wrong about Golarion, that kind of specific knowledge is not the most important knowledge I have to teach. I have gone into this little digression about Validity and timelessness and optimality, in order to give you some specific reason to think that - even if the stranger proves to have no idea how Golarion works - some of the knowledge he has to teach is sufficiently general that you have strong reason for strong hope that it will work in Golarion nonetheless.
"My memory is not perfect, and I was never a specialist in metal and fire. To industrialize Golarion, what we must primarily use is not the recipes of dath ilan and its knowledge of hidden orders, for those I do not all have with me, even if they would work here. What we need to do is operate the principles of thought and investigation, by which dath ilan found the hidden orders and recipes that worked in dath ilan; and, with those interplanar shards of Law, find the hidden orders and recipes that work in Golarion. If I can accurately remember some of the recipes and hidden orders from dath ilan, and they prove to carry over here, I expect that will give a rather substantial boost compared to starting from scratch. But I also expect that it cannot carry the day unless we do a little, or rather a lot, of thinking of our own."
"It is said also in dath ilan that there is a final principle, less beautiful in its mathematics than the first three, but also quite important in practice; it goes by the name Coordination, and deals with agents simultaneously acting in such fashion to all get more of what they wanted than if they acted separately. Here, too, I considered myself relatively wild in this regard, compared to dath ilani standard, but that was before I came to Golarion and read about what all y'all were getting up to around here. I expect I will have something to say on Coordination too, at some point, but perhaps that part should not come first."
"Validity, Probability, Utility. Things being more or less likely, encountering new evidence and revising old beliefs, deriving the consequences of what we already know, wanting things, making plans. It's not so much that humans have bits and pieces of the Laws glommed onto us, as that the shadow of those Laws within us explains, in a certain sense, why we function at all - why we can do even the little that we can do. One of my pending questions about Golarion is whether Chaotic gods are still, like, mostly Lawful on a deep level and are just pursuing surface goals that are about humans behaving chaotically in social situations, or something like that, because otherwise I have a hard time imagining what it means to be a god, or intelligent, if your nature is contradictory to all Law. The partial coherence that exists in the noisy bits of Law embedded in us, creating somewhat larger shadows of bigger pieces of Law, is what lets us form larger thoughts that make enough sense for us to ever figure out anything. That all these bits and pieces of Law are bits and pieces of this larger coherent thing is part of the story behind how we can put together the human versions of 'or' and 'implies' and make larger useful thoughts out of them. If Chaotic gods don't have that much Law embedded inside them, if they reject every bit and shard of Validity because it's Lawful, and therefore never think 'I think either Z or H will happen', I can't begin to imagine how a Chaotic god would work. Which is one of the reasons why I wonder whether the concept 'Lawful' is translating correctly for me after all."
"But that's me being confused about this world, which is not our present priority."
"Our present priority is the industrialization of Golarion."
"And the reason I say all of this to you, is to make a certain point about our most important tool for doing that."
"Our path will be relatively simpler, easier, more direct - though still not easy - if a lot of the particular hidden orders I remember about dath ilani steel and dath ilani biology are also true here, albeit with some new hidden orders about magic that were not in dath ilan."
"But if that isn't true? If snowflakes have six sides here for other reasons? If my body was remade anew in Golarion so that I could eat the food?"
"Then the valuable knowledge I have to teach you will be the knowledge of how to discover hidden orders. And this knowledge in dath ilan is said to be attained by using and operating shadows of Law that are purer, cleaner, more complete, than humans just throwing themselves at a problem with their own instincts. The explicit math is mostly reified Probability, but the internal mental challenges are mostly those of being a little more Valid in which conclusions we jump to and which assumptions we mark as necessary."
"I am a lot more confident that Validity, Probability, and Utility are still singled-out mathematical structures that hold power in Golarion, than I am confident that I already know why snowflakes here have sixfold symmetry. And I wanted to make that clear before I said too much about the hidden orders of reality from dath ilan - that even if the things I am saying are entirely wrong about Golarion, that kind of specific knowledge is not the most important knowledge I have to teach. I have gone into this little digression about Validity and timelessness and optimality, in order to give you some specific reason to think that - even if the stranger proves to have no idea how Golarion works - some of the knowledge he has to teach is sufficiently general that you have strong reason for strong hope that it will work in Golarion nonetheless.
"My memory is not perfect, and I was never a specialist in metal and fire. To industrialize Golarion, what we must primarily use is not the recipes of dath ilan and its knowledge of hidden orders, for those I do not all have with me, even if they would work here. What we need to do is operate the principles of thought and investigation, by which dath ilan found the hidden orders and recipes that worked in dath ilan; and, with those interplanar shards of Law, find the hidden orders and recipes that work in Golarion. If I can accurately remember some of the recipes and hidden orders from dath ilan, and they prove to carry over here, I expect that will give a rather substantial boost compared to starting from scratch. But I also expect that it cannot carry the day unless we do a little, or rather a lot, of saner thinking of our own."
"It is said also in dath ilan that there is a final principle, less beautiful in its mathematics than the first three, but also quite important in practice; it goes by the name Coordination, and deals with agents simultaneously acting in such fashion to all get more of what they wanted than if they acted separately. Here, too, I considered myself relatively wild in this regard, compared to dath ilani standard, but that was before I came to Golarion and read about what all y'all were getting up to around here. I expect I will have something to say on Coordination too, at some point, but perhaps that part should not come first."
"Validity, Probability, Utility. Things being more or less likely, encountering new evidence and revising old beliefs, deriving the consequences of what we already know, wanting things, making plans. It's not so much that humans have bits and pieces of the Laws glommed onto us, as that the shadow of those Laws within us explains, in a certain sense, why we function at all - why we can do even the little that we can do. One of my pending questions about Golarion is whether Chaotic gods are still, like, mostly Lawful on a deep level and are just pursuing surface goals that are about humans behaving chaotically in social situations, or something like that, because otherwise I have a hard time imagining what it means to be a god, or intelligent, if your nature is contradictory to all Law. The partial coherence that exists in the noisy bits of Law embedded in us, creating somewhat larger shadows of bigger pieces of Law, is what lets us form larger thoughts that make enough sense for us to ever figure out anything. That all these bits and pieces of Law are bits and pieces of this larger coherent thing is part of the story behind how we can put together the human versions of 'or' and 'implies' and make larger useful thoughts out of them. If Chaotic gods don't have that much Law embedded inside them, if they reject every bit and shard of Validity because it's Lawful, and therefore never think 'I think either Z or H will happen', I can't begin to imagine how a Chaotic god would work. Which is one of the reasons why I wonder whether the concept 'Lawful' is translating correctly for me after all."
"But that's me being confused about this world, which is not our present priority."
"Our present priority is the industrialization of Golarion."
"And the reason I say all of this to you, is to make a certain point about our most important tool for doing that."
"Our path will be relatively simpler, easier, more direct - though still not easy - if a lot of the particular hidden orders I remember about dath ilani steel and dath ilani biology are also true here, albeit with some new hidden orders about magic that were not in dath ilan."
"But if that isn't true? If snowflakes have six sides here for other reasons? If my body was remade anew in Golarion so that I could eat the food?"
"Then the valuable knowledge I have to teach you will be the knowledge of how to discover hidden orders. And this knowledge in dath ilan is said to be attained by using and operating shadows of Law that are purer, cleaner, more complete, than humans just throwing themselves at a problem with their own instincts. The explicit math is mostly reified Probability, but the internal mental challenges are mostly those of being a little more Valid in which conclusions we jump to and which assumptions we mark as necessary."
"I am a lot more confident that Validity, Probability, and Utility are still singled-out mathematical structures that hold power in Golarion, than I am confident that I already know why snowflakes here have sixfold symmetry. And I wanted to make that clear before I said too much about the hidden orders of reality from dath ilan - that even if the things I am saying are entirely wrong about Golarion, that kind of specific knowledge is not the most important knowledge I have to teach. I have gone into this little digression about Validity and timelessness and optimality, in order to give you some specific reason to think that - even if the stranger proves to have no idea how Golarion works - some of the knowledge he has to teach is sufficiently general that you have strong reason for strong hope that it will work in Golarion nonetheless.
"My memory is not perfect, and I was never a specialist in metal and fire. To industrialize Golarion, what we must primarily use is not the recipes of dath ilan and its knowledge of hidden orders, for those I do not all have with me, even if they would work here. What we need to do is operate the principles of thought and investigation, by which dath ilan found the hidden orders and recipes that worked in dath ilan; and, with those interplanar shards of Law, find the hidden orders and recipes that work in Golarion. If I can accurately remember some of the recipes and hidden orders from dath ilan, and they prove to carry over here, I expect that will give a rather substantial boost compared to starting from scratch. But I also expect that it cannot carry the day unless we do a little, or rather a lot, of saner thinking of our own."
"It is said also in dath ilan that there is a final great principle of Law, less beautiful in its mathematics than the first three, but also quite important in practice; it goes by the name Coordination, and deals with agents simultaneously acting in such fashion to all get more of what they wanted than if they acted separately. Here, too, I considered myself relatively wild in this regard, compared to dath ilani standard, but that was before I came to Golarion and read about what all y'all were getting up to around here. I expect I will have something to say on Coordination too, at some point, but perhaps that part should not come first."
"Validity, Probability, Utility. Things being more or less likely, encountering new evidence and revising old beliefs, deriving the consequences of what we already know, wanting things, making plans. It's not so much that humans have bits and pieces of the Laws glommed onto us, as that the shadow of those Laws within us explains, in a certain sense, why we function at all - why we can do even the little that we can do. One of my pending questions about Golarion is whether Chaotic gods are still, like, mostly Lawful on a deep level and are just pursuing surface goals that are about humans behaving chaotically in social situations, or something like that, because otherwise I have a hard time imagining what it means to be a god, or intelligent, if your nature is contradictory to all Law. The partial coherence that exists in the noisy bits of Law embedded in us, creating somewhat larger shadows of bigger pieces of Law, is what lets us form larger thoughts that make enough sense for us to ever figure out anything. That all these bits and pieces of Law are bits and pieces of this larger coherent thing is part of the story behind how we can put together the human versions of 'or' and 'implies' and make larger useful thoughts out of them. If Chaotic gods don't have that much Law embedded inside them, if they reject every bit and shard of Validity because it's Lawful, and therefore never think 'I think either Z or H will happen', I can't begin to imagine how a Chaotic god would work. Which is one of the reasons why I wonder whether the concept 'Lawful' is translating correctly for me after all."
"But that's me being confused about this world, which is not our present priority."
"Our present priority is the industrialization of Golarion."
"And the reason I say all of this to you, is to make a certain point about our most important tool for doing that."
"Our path will be relatively simpler, easier, more direct - though still not easy - if a lot of the particular hidden orders I remember about dath ilani steel and dath ilani biology are also true here, albeit with some new hidden orders about magic that were not in dath ilan."
"But if that isn't true? If snowflakes have six sides here for other reasons? If my body was remade anew in Golarion so that I could eat the food?"
"Then the valuable knowledge I have to teach you will be the knowledge of how to discover hidden orders. And this knowledge in dath ilan is said to be attained by using and operating shadows of Law that are purer, cleaner, more complete, than humans just throwing themselves at a problem with their own instincts. The explicit math is mostly reified Probability, but the internal mental challenges are mostly those of being a little more Valid in which conclusions we jump to and which assumptions we mark as necessary."
"I am a lot more confident that Validity, Probability, and Utility are still singled-out mathematical structures whose shards and shadows hold power in Golarion, than I am confident that I already know why snowflakes here have sixfold symmetry. And I wanted to make that clear before I said too much about the hidden orders of reality out of dath ilan - that even if the things I am saying are entirely wrong about Golarion, that kind of specific knowledge is not the most important knowledge I have to teach. I have gone into this little digression about Validity and timelessness and optimality, in order to give you some specific reason to think that - even if the stranger proves to have no idea how Golarion works - some of the knowledge he has to teach is sufficiently general that you have strong reason for strong hope that it will work in Golarion nonetheless.
"My memory is not perfect, and I was never a specialist in metal and fire. To industrialize Golarion, what we must primarily use is not the recipes of dath ilan and its knowledge of hidden orders, for those I do not all have with me, even if they would work here. What we need to do is operate the principles of thought and investigation, by which dath ilan found the hidden orders and recipes that worked in dath ilan; and, with those interplanar shards of Law, find the hidden orders and recipes that work in Golarion. If I can accurately remember some of the recipes and hidden orders from dath ilan, and they prove to carry over here, I expect that will give a rather substantial boost compared to starting from scratch. But I also expect that it cannot carry the day unless we do a little, or rather a lot, of saner thinking of our own."
"It is said also in dath ilan that there is a final great principle of Law, less beautiful in its mathematics than the first three, but also quite important in practice; it goes by the name Coordination, and deals with agents simultaneously acting in such fashion to all get more of what they wanted than if they acted separately. Here, too, I considered myself relatively wild in this regard, compared to dath ilani standard, but that was before I came to Golarion and read about what all y'all were getting up to around here. I expect I will have something to say on Coordination too, at some point, but perhaps that part should not come first."
"Validity, Probability, Utility. Things being more or less likely, encountering new evidence and revising old beliefs, deriving the consequences of what we already know, wanting things, making plans. It's not so much that humans have bits and pieces of the Laws glommed onto us, as that the shadow of those Laws within us explains, in a certain sense, why we function at all - why we can do even the little that we can do. One of my pending questions about Golarion is whether Chaotic gods are still, like, mostly Lawful on a deep level and are just pursuing surface goals that are about humans behaving chaotically in social situations, or something like that, because otherwise I have a hard time imagining what it means to be a god, or intelligent, if your nature is contradictory to all Law. The partial coherence that exists in the noisy bits of Law embedded in us, creating somewhat larger shadows of bigger pieces of Law, is what lets us form larger thoughts that make enough sense for us to ever figure out anything. That all these bits and pieces of Law are bits and pieces of this larger coherent thing is part of the story behind how we can put together the human versions of 'or' and 'implies' and make larger useful thoughts out of them. If Chaotic gods don't have that much Law embedded inside them, if they reject every bit and shard of Validity because it's Lawful, and therefore never think 'I think either Z or H will happen', I can't begin to imagine how a Chaotic god would work. Which is one of the reasons why I wonder whether the concept 'Lawful' is translating correctly for me after all."
"But that's me being confused about this world, which is not our present priority."
"Our present priority is the industrialization of Golarion."
"And the reason I say all of this to you, is to make a certain point about our most important tool for doing that."
"Our path will be relatively simpler, easier, more direct - though still not easy - if a lot of the particular hidden orders I remember about dath ilani steel and dath ilani biology are also true here, albeit with some new hidden orders about magic that were not in dath ilan."
"But if that isn't true? If snowflakes have six sides here for other reasons? If my body was remade anew in Golarion so that I could eat the food?"
"Then the valuable knowledge I have to teach you will be the knowledge of how to discover hidden orders. And this knowledge in dath ilan is said to be attained by using and operating shadows of Law that are purer, cleaner, more complete, than humans just throwing themselves at a problem with their own instincts. The explicit math is mostly reified Probability, but the internal mental challenges are mostly those of being a little more Valid in which conclusions we jump to and which assumptions we mark as necessary."
"I am a lot more confident that Validity, Probability, and Utility are still singled-out mathematical structures whose shards and shadows hold power in Golarion, than I am confident that I already know why snowflakes here have sixfold symmetry. And I wanted to make that clear before I said too much about the hidden orders of reality out of dath ilan - that even if the things I am saying are entirely wrong about Golarion, that kind of specific knowledge is not the most important knowledge I have to teach. I have gone into this little digression about Validity and timelessness and optimality, in order to give you some specific reason to think that - even if the stranger proves to have no idea how Golarion works - some of the knowledge he has to teach is sufficiently general that you have strong reason for strong hope that it will work in Golarion nonetheless.
"My memory is not perfect, and I was never a specialist in metal and fire. To industrialize Golarion, what we must primarily use is not the recipes of dath ilan and its knowledge of hidden orders, for those I do not all have with me, even if they would work here. What we need to do is operate the principles of thought and investigation, by which dath ilan found the hidden orders and recipes that worked in dath ilan; and, with those interplanar shards of Law, find the hidden orders and recipes that work in Golarion. If I can accurately remember some of the recipes and hidden orders from dath ilan, and they prove to carry over here, I expect that will give a rather substantial boost compared to starting from scratch. But I also expect that it cannot carry the day unless we do a little, or rather a lot, of saner thinking of our own."
"It is said also in dath ilan that there is a final great principle of Law, less beautiful in its mathematics than the first three, but also quite important in practice; it goes by the name Coordination, and deals with agents simultaneously acting in such fashion to all get more of what they wanted than if they acted separately. Here, too, I considered myself relatively wild in this regard, compared to dath ilani standard, but that was before I came to Golarion and read about what all y'all were getting up to around here. I expect I will have something to say on Coordination too, at some point or another."
"Validity, Probability, Utility. Things being more or less likely, encountering new evidence and revising old beliefs, deriving the consequences of what we already know, wanting things, making plans. It's not so much that humans have bits and pieces of the Laws glommed onto us, as that the shadow of those Laws within us explains, in a certain sense, why we function at all - why we can do even the little that we can do. One of my pending questions about Golarion is whether Chaotic gods are still, like, mostly Lawful on a deep level and are just pursuing surface goals that are about humans behaving chaotically in social situations, or something like that, because otherwise I have a hard time imagining what it means to be a god, or intelligent, if your nature is contradictory to all Law. The partial coherence that exists in the noisy bits of Law embedded in us, creating somewhat larger shadows of bigger pieces of Law, is what lets us form larger thoughts that make enough sense for us to ever figure out anything. That all these bits and pieces of Law are bits and pieces of this larger coherent thing is part of the story behind how we can put together the human versions of 'or' and 'implies' and make larger useful thoughts out of them. If Chaotic gods don't have that much Law embedded inside them, if they reject every bit and shard of Validity because it's Lawful, and therefore never think 'I think either Z or H will happen', I can't begin to imagine how a Chaotic god would work. Which is one of the reasons why I wonder whether the concept 'Lawful' is translating correctly for me after all."
"But that's me being confused about this world, which is not our present priority."
"Our present priority is the industrialization of Golarion."
"And the reason I say all of this to you, is to make a certain point about our most important tool for doing that."
"Our path will be relatively simpler, easier, more direct - though still not easy - if a lot of the particular hidden orders I remember about dath ilani steel and dath ilani biology are also true here, albeit with some new hidden orders about magic that were not in dath ilan."
"But if that isn't true? If snowflakes have six sides here for other reasons? If my body was remade anew in Golarion so that I could eat the food?"
"Then the valuable knowledge I have to teach you will be the knowledge of how to discover hidden orders. And this knowledge in dath ilan is said to be attained by using and operating shadows of Law that are purer, cleaner, more complete, than humans just throwing themselves at a problem with their own instincts. The explicit math is mostly reified Probability, but the internal mental challenges are mostly those of being a little more Valid in which conclusions we jump to and which assumptions we mark as necessary."
"I am a lot more confident that Validity, Probability, and Utility are still singled-out mathematical structures whose fragmented shards and overlapping shadows hold power in Golarion, than I am confident that I already know why snowflakes here have sixfold symmetry. And I wanted to make that clear before I said too much about the hidden orders of reality out of dath ilan - that even if the things I am saying are entirely wrong about Golarion, that kind of specific knowledge is not the most important knowledge I have to teach. I have gone into this little digression about Validity and timelessness and optimality, in order to give you some specific reason to think that - even if the stranger proves to have no idea how Golarion works - some of the knowledge he has to teach is sufficiently general that you have strong reason for strong hope that it will work in Golarion nonetheless.
"My memory is not perfect, and I was never a specialist in metal and fire. To industrialize Golarion, what we must primarily use is not the recipes of dath ilan and its knowledge of hidden orders, for those I do not all have with me, even if they would work here. What we need to do is operate the principles of thought and investigation, by which dath ilan found the hidden orders and recipes that worked in dath ilan; and, with those interplanar shards of Law, find the hidden orders and recipes that work in Golarion. If I can accurately remember some of the recipes and hidden orders from dath ilan, and they prove to carry over here, I expect that will give a rather substantial boost compared to starting from scratch. But I also expect that it cannot carry the day unless we do a little, or rather a lot, of saner thinking of our own."
"It is said also in dath ilan that there is a final great principle of Law, less beautiful in its mathematics than the first three, but also quite important in practice; it goes by the name Coordination, and deals with agents simultaneously acting in such fashion to all get more of what they wanted than if they acted separately. Here, too, I considered myself relatively wild in this regard, compared to dath ilani standard, but that was before I came to Golarion and read about what all y'all were getting up to around here. I expect I will have something to say on Coordination too, at some point or another."
"Validity, Probability, Utility. Things being more or less likely, encountering new evidence and revising old beliefs, deriving the consequences of what we already know, wanting things, making plans. It's not so much that humans have bits and pieces of the Laws glommed onto us, as that the shadow of those Laws within us explains, in a certain sense, why we function at all - why we can do even the little that we can do. One of my pending questions about Golarion is whether Chaotic gods are still, like, mostly Lawful on a deep level and are just pursuing surface goals that are about humans behaving chaotically in social situations, or something like that, because otherwise I have a hard time imagining what it means to be a god, or intelligent, if your nature is contradictory to all Law. The partial coherence that exists in the noisy bits of Law embedded in us, creating somewhat larger shadows of bigger pieces of Law, is what lets us form larger thoughts that make enough sense for us to ever figure out anything. That all these bits and pieces of Law are bits and pieces of this larger coherent thing is part of the story behind how we can put together the human versions of 'or' and 'implies' and make larger useful thoughts out of them. If Chaotic gods don't have that much Law embedded inside them, if they reject every bit and shard of Validity because it's Lawful, and therefore never think 'I think either Z or H will happen', I can't begin to imagine how a Chaotic god would work. Which is one of the reasons why I wonder whether the concept 'Lawful' is translating correctly for me after all."
"But that's me being confused about this world, which is not our present priority."
"Our present priority is the industrialization of Golarion."
"And the reason I say all of this to you, is to make a certain point about our most important tool for doing that."
"Our path will be relatively simpler, easier, more direct - though still not easy - if a lot of the particular hidden orders I remember about dath ilani steel and dath ilani biology are also true here, albeit with some new hidden orders about magic that were not in dath ilan."
"But if that isn't true? If snowflakes have six sides here for other reasons? If my body was remade anew in Golarion so that I could eat the food?"
"Then the valuable knowledge I have to teach you will be the knowledge of how to discover hidden orders. And this knowledge in dath ilan is said to be attained by using and operating shadows of Law that are purer, cleaner, more complete, than humans just throwing themselves at a problem with their own instincts. The explicit math is mostly reified Probability, but the internal mental challenges are mostly those of being a little more Valid in which conclusions we jump to and which assumptions we mark as necessary."
"I am a lot more confident that Validity, Probability, and Utility are still singled-out mathematical structures whose fragmented shards and overlapping shadows hold power in Golarion, than I am confident that I already know why snowflakes here have sixfold symmetry. And I wanted to make that clear before I said too much about the hidden orders of reality out of dath ilan - that even if the things I am saying are entirely wrong about Golarion, that kind of specific knowledge is not the most important knowledge I have to teach. I have gone into this little digression about Validity and timelessness and optimality, in order to give you some specific reason to think that - even if the stranger proves to have no idea how Golarion is ordered - some of the knowledge he has to teach is sufficiently general that you have strong reason for strong hope that it will work in Golarion nonetheless.
"My memory is not perfect, and I was never a specialist in metal and fire. To industrialize Golarion, what we must primarily use is not the recipes of dath ilan and its knowledge of hidden orders, for those I do not all have with me, even if they would work here. What we need to do is operate the principles of thought and investigation, by which dath ilan found the hidden orders and recipes that worked in dath ilan; and, with those interplanar shards of Law, find the hidden orders and recipes that work in Golarion. If I can accurately remember some of the recipes and hidden orders from dath ilan, and they prove to carry over here, I expect that will give a rather substantial boost compared to starting from scratch. But I also expect that it cannot carry the day unless we do a little, or rather a lot, of saner thinking of our own."
"It is said also in dath ilan that there is a final great principle of Law, less beautiful in its mathematics than the first three, but also quite important in practice; it goes by the name Coordination, and deals with agents simultaneously acting in such fashion to all get more of what they wanted than if they acted separately. Here, too, I considered myself relatively wild in this regard, compared to dath ilani standard, but that was before I came to Golarion and read about what all y'all were getting up to around here. I expect I will have something to say on Coordination too, at some point or another."
"Validity, Probability, Utility. Things being more or less likely, encountering new evidence and revising old beliefs, deriving the consequences of what we already know, wanting things, making plans. It's not so much that humans have bits and pieces of the Laws glommed onto us, as that the shadow of those Laws within us explains, in a certain sense, why we function at all - why we can do even the little that we can do. One of my pending questions about Golarion is whether Chaotic gods are still, like, mostly Lawful on a deep level and are just pursuing surface goals that are about humans behaving chaotically in social situations, or something like that, because otherwise I have a hard time imagining what it means to be a god, or intelligent, if your nature is contradictory to all Law. The partial coherence that exists in the noisy bits of Law embedded in us, creating somewhat larger shadows of bigger pieces of Law, is what lets us form larger thoughts that make enough sense for us to ever figure out anything. That all these bits and pieces of Law are bits and pieces of this larger coherent thing is part of the story behind how we can put together the human versions of 'or' and 'implies' and make larger useful thoughts out of them. If Chaotic gods don't have that much Law embedded inside them, if they reject every bit and shard of Validity because it's Lawful, and therefore never think 'I guess that either Z or H will happen', I can't begin to imagine how a Chaotic god would work. Which is one of the reasons why I wonder whether the concept 'Lawful' is translating correctly for me after all."
"But that's me being confused about this world, which is not our present priority."
"Our present priority is the industrialization of Golarion."
"And the reason I say all of this to you, is to make a certain point about our most important tool for doing that."
"Our path will be relatively simpler, easier, more direct - though still not easy - if a lot of the particular hidden orders I remember about dath ilani steel and dath ilani biology are also true here, albeit with some new hidden orders about magic that were not in dath ilan."
"But if that isn't true? If snowflakes have six sides here for other reasons? If my body was remade anew in Golarion so that I could eat the food?"
"Then the valuable knowledge I have to teach you will be the knowledge of how to discover hidden orders. And this knowledge in dath ilan is said to be attained by using and operating shadows of Law that are purer, cleaner, more complete, than humans just throwing themselves at a problem with their own instincts. The explicit math is mostly reified Probability, but the internal mental challenges are mostly those of being a little more Valid in which conclusions we jump to and which assumptions we mark as necessary."
"I am a lot more confident that Validity, Probability, and Utility are still singled-out mathematical structures whose fragmented shards and overlapping shadows hold power in Golarion, than I am confident that I already know why snowflakes here have sixfold symmetry. And I wanted to make that clear before I said too much about the hidden orders of reality out of dath ilan - that even if the things I am saying are entirely wrong about Golarion, that kind of specific knowledge is not the most important knowledge I have to teach. I have gone into this little digression about Validity and timelessness and optimality, in order to give you some specific reason to think that - even if the stranger proves to have no idea how Golarion is ordered - some of the knowledge he has to teach is sufficiently general that you have strong reason for strong hope that it will work in Golarion nonetheless.
"My memory is not perfect, and I was never a specialist in metal and fire. To industrialize Golarion, what we must primarily use is not the recipes of dath ilan and its knowledge of hidden orders, for those I do not all have with me, even if they would work here. What we need to do is operate the principles of thought and investigation, by which dath ilan found the hidden orders and recipes that worked in dath ilan; and, with those interplanar shards of Law, find the hidden orders and recipes that work in Golarion. If I can accurately remember some of the recipes and hidden orders from dath ilan, and they prove to carry over here, I expect that will give a rather substantial boost compared to starting from scratch. But I also expect that it cannot carry the day unless we do a little, or rather a lot, of saner thinking of our own."
"It is said also in dath ilan that there is a final great principle of Law, less beautiful in its mathematics than the first three, but also quite important in practice; it goes by the name Coordination, and deals with agents simultaneously acting in such fashion to all get more of what they wanted than if they acted separately. Here, too, I considered myself relatively wild in this regard, compared to dath ilani standard, but that was before I came to Golarion and read about what all y'all were getting up to around here. I expect I will have something to say on Coordination too, at some point or another."