"I want to say that nobody in real life is in enough of a zero-sum relationship to you that you're better off if they don't learn the logical principles they need to negotiate with you, but - it is a different world, one I do not know.  One with an unreasonably basic factor the locals call 'Chaos' that isn't, I think, really individualism at all, which is what the term 'Chaotic' translates into in Baseline.  The five or six regions where women can get loans - are they the kind to go in on a collective industrialization project with Cheliax, send their own researchers here?  Are there any regions which would do that but the banks don't serve women?"

"I want to say that nobody in real life is in enough of a zero-sum relationship to you that you're better off if they don't learn the logical principles they need to negotiate with you, but - it is a different world, one I do not know.  One with an unreasonably basic factor the locals call 'Chaos' that, I'm starting to worry, isn't really individualism at all.  The five or six regions where women can get loans - are they the kind to go in on a collective industrialization project with Cheliax, send their own researchers here?  Are there any regions which would do that but the banks don't serve women?"